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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5861  Postby Hermit » Apr 29, 2019 7:27 am

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"Just one example: billions of celestial bodies in perfect movement, why don't they crash into each other if there is no Creator to guide them?"

The result of "perfect" movement guided by an infallible Creator.

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5862  Postby Aca » May 04, 2019 3:28 pm

#facts :mrgreen:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5863  Postby Arcanyn » May 04, 2019 8:59 pm

Brings to mind:

Blackadder:
Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?

Baldrick:
They certainly are, sir!

Blackadder:
Well, forgive me if I don't do a cartwheel of joy. Your record in this department is hardly 100%. So what is it?

Baldrick:
We do nothing.

Blackadder:
Yup. It's another world-beater!

Baldrick:
No, wait. We do nothing... until our heads have actually been cut off.

Blackadder:
And then we... spring into action?

Baldrick:
Exactly! You know how when you cut a chicken's head off, it runs round and round the farmyard and then out the gate?

Blackadder:
[haltingly] Yyyyyyyeah...?

Baldrick:
Well, we wait until our heads have been cut off, then we run round and round, out the gate, and escape! What do you think?

Blackadder:
My opinions are rather difficult to express in words, Baldrick. So perhaps I can put it this way... [tweaks Baldrick's nose]
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5864  Postby Calilasseia » May 09, 2019 12:27 am

zulumoose wrote:
"Just one example: billions of celestial bodies in perfect movement, why don't they crash into each other if there is no Creator to guide them?"


The result of "perfect" movement guided by an infallible Creator.

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Apparently the individual you've alighted upon, has a short memory. Wind the clock back to 1994, and NASA was aligning the Hubble Space Telescope to take lots of lovely photos of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, as its various fragments slammed into Jupiter at 30 kilometres per second or so.

The principal reason we don't see this sort of pyrotechnic display more often, centres upon that decision by the International Astronomical Union, to include clearance of an object's neighbourhood as part of the definition of the term 'planet'. Basically, almost all of the big rocks engaged in their collisions a long time ago, indeed collisions of this sort are necessary for planetary accretion. But once those collisions have taken place, and a large accreted body has attracted other, smaller bodies to itself, taking them out of circulation, the frequency of subsequent collisions with leftover objects diminishes accordingly. Even so, Earth is itself subject to these collisions to this day, albeit with much smaller objects. Scientists have estimated that the Earth gains 1,000 tons of mass every year, courtesy of lots and lots of small rocks that fall through the atmosphere, and add their contents to the planet.

However, there are still enough decent sized rocks out there to be troublesome - the one that hastened the demise of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago was estimated to be 10 miles in diameter. This is a big rock by our everyday standards, but on the cosmic scale, it's a speck of dust, and there are numerous asteroids of comparable size still moving about on orbits that cross the orbit of Earth. There are around 400 of these listed in a nice little catalogue by NASA, and any one of those could potentially undergo an orbital perturbation leading to a collision with Earth, at which point it's "Game Over" for us in a big way.

Even a relatively small body such as 99942 Apophis, at just 0.185 km radius, could unleash a catastrophe if it collided with Earth. This is a body that occupies a volume about the same as a Nimitz Class nuclear supercarrier, but if it was perturbed onto a collision course with Earth, it would impact our planet at around 30 km/s. Its mass is around 6 × 1010 kg, and as a consequence would turn up with a lot of kinetic energy - 2.7 × 1019 J or thereabouts, a large amount of which would be liberated as heat pumped into the asteroid as it was brought to a halt. By comparison, the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated on Earth, the former Soviet Union's Tsar Bomba, liberated 2.1 × 1017 joules by comparison, so we're looking at a collision event liberating over 100 times the energy of the Tsar Bomba, if Apophis 99942 decides to play "Trick or Treat" with Earth.

There are bigger bodies in that catalogue, such as 5731 Zeus, which is somewhere between 2.1 and 4.7 km in diameter, which would, if it ever paid us a serious visit, trigger yet another extinction event, probably wiping us out in the process. 1866 Sisyphus is 7 kilometres across, making it comparable to the KT-event bolide in size.

Even on a more modest scale, does this individual not remember this little event from 2013?

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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5865  Postby aban57 » May 09, 2019 7:13 am

Calilasseia wrote:Scientists have estimated that the Earth gains 1,000 tons of mass every year, courtesy of lots and lots of small rocks that fall through the atmosphere, and add their contents to the planet.


So we ARE on an expanding Earth :naughty2: :naughty2:
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5866  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 09, 2019 7:36 am

People who don't understand what fascism is:
I agree. I'm not a defender of the Catholic church. However, Widdecombe is a very intelligent speaker and author and if you disagree with her views, you should specifically address them. However, a forum such as this, which could be a real aid to debate, is merely used by adolescent minds to make fascistic comments: mysogynistic, crude and hate filled. 


I enjoyed listening to this as it merely confirmed my belief that Youtube is a forum for fascists: those that, if they disagree with something, choose to avoid logical discourse and revert to throwing mud.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5867  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 11, 2019 9:06 am

From the pope himself:
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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5868  Postby Alan B » May 11, 2019 12:29 pm

I bet the money's good, being a Pope.
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#5869  Postby Calilasseia » May 11, 2019 4:51 pm

Every irony meter on the planet just exploded upon dissemination of that Papal tweet ...
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5870  Postby aban57 » May 11, 2019 5:33 pm



The greatest man who ever lived died through death penalty for you and for me. I'm grateful to him for our future hope because of this. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope.


Jesus fucking christ....
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#5871  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 11, 2019 5:35 pm

aban57 wrote:

Wrong thread?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5872  Postby aban57 » May 11, 2019 5:55 pm

Read my quote :)
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#5873  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 11, 2019 7:49 pm

aban57 wrote:Read my quote :)

Yea, I saw that quote. Insane.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5874  Postby Spearthrower » May 11, 2019 7:57 pm

The greatest man who ever lived died through death penalty for you and for me.


These people are so confused.

It wasn't a man, it was god.

He didn't die, just performed an act simulating death.

He didn't undergo the death penalty for you and me, he got the death penalty for acting against Roman law and against the Jewish authority's interests at that time.

He never actually died - that's the gaping hole in the entire Jesus saga. He couldn't die because he was god and god presumably isn't susceptible to death by exposure. Jesus didn't die, because he waltzed up to heaven to be with god / himself. Even his body didn't die because, ta da, it resurrected. It's such a load of inane contradictions, it's no wonder people who believe in it are so confused.
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#5875  Postby Svartalf » May 12, 2019 9:26 am

and he did not really die, because god, being immortal, cannot die.
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Re: What's the battiest thing you ever heard a believer say?

#5876  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 20, 2019 11:40 am

:crazy:
Sadly, you are forgetting the over 2,000 fulfilled prophesies, (over 360 just in YOUR Savior!) that no other "religion", philosophy, way or individual has been able to duplicate even FIVE of.

In addition to that, the Bible was written by over 40 authors, in three Continents, in three languages, by prisoners to kings in many walks of life, almost none knew each other and still no contradictions. If you are familiar with human error, common sense, logic and the game of telephone, you would see this would be IMPOSSIBLE for man. This writer was given the knowledge of God but chose to walk away. His consequence will be for eternity and the punishment will be much more severe for anyone he has influenced away from God. As the Bible warns ""If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Mt 18:6 I would also warn those who ignore God's Word especially AFTER knowing It, that God gives another stern warning in Hebrews 10:26-31 and it ends with "How dreadful it is to fall into the hands of God."

Jesus died for each one of us and your not accepting that beautiful gift of Salvation is only mocking Him and God said He will NOT be mocked. And, if you sent your son to be tortured, humiliated and murdered, would you not want AT LEAST the acknowledgement of why he did it and by the ones he did it for?

Please for the sake of your Salvation and your children's, stop listening to ignorant people and go look at the specific prophesies and you will see that there is NO WAY MAN COULD HAVE MADE THEM COME TRUE.

You are also discounting (or rather IGNORING!) all the scientific, archeological, and even non-Christian evidence which only increases regularly. Check out this link if you REALLY want to know the truth.

:crazy:

Here's the link for those interested in some ad-hoc prophecy force-fitting with ass-pulled probability figures.
https://www.reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/read/tnrtb/2003/08/22/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible
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#5877  Postby aban57 » May 20, 2019 11:43 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote::crazy:
Sadly, you are forgetting the over 2,000 fulfilled prophesies, (over 360 just in YOUR Savior!) that no other "religion", philosophy, way or individual has been able to duplicate even FIVE of.

In addition to that, the Bible was written by over 40 authors, in three Continents, in three languages, by prisoners to kings in many walks of life, almost none knew each other and still no contradictions. If you are familiar with human error, common sense, logic and the game of telephone, you would see this would be IMPOSSIBLE for man. This writer was given the knowledge of God but chose to walk away. His consequence will be for eternity and the punishment will be much more severe for anyone he has influenced away from God. As the Bible warns ""If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Mt 18:6 I would also warn those who ignore God's Word especially AFTER knowing It, that God gives another stern warning in Hebrews 10:26-31 and it ends with "How dreadful it is to fall into the hands of God."

Jesus died for each one of us and your not accepting that beautiful gift of Salvation is only mocking Him and God said He will NOT be mocked. And, if you sent your son to be tortured, humiliated and murdered, would you not want AT LEAST the acknowledgement of why he did it and by the ones he did it for?

Please for the sake of your Salvation and your children's, stop listening to ignorant people and go look at the specific prophesies and you will see that there is NO WAY MAN COULD HAVE MADE THEM COME TRUE.

You are also discounting (or rather IGNORING!) all the scientific, archeological, and even non-Christian evidence which only increases regularly. Check out this link if you REALLY want to know the truth.

:crazy:

Here's the link for those interested in some ad-hoc prophecy force-fitting with ass-pulled probability figures.
https://www.reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/read/tnrtb/2003/08/22/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible


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#5878  Postby Spearthrower » May 20, 2019 11:47 am

no contradictions



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Presumably the first thing he's going to want to research is the content of the Bible.

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#5879  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 20, 2019 11:54 am

It's the idolization of vicarious and unnecessary redemption that is the most damning part of that text.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#5880  Postby Thomas Eshuis » May 21, 2019 7:37 am

On the fb page describing the beating and killing of a transwoman:
I did not mean to offend anyone. I understand some people want to be the opposite gender. I understand that some males are naturally feminine and some females are naturally more masculine. I wish I was a transfinancial, but I’m still broke.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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