John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

proudfootz wrote:

The one that hears and answers prayers, acts in history, impregnates young girls, visits holy people with stigmata... the one Catholics worship.

Catholics merged that God with the philosophers God in the 13th century.

Bullshit, as long as people are taught to feel guilty about sex, and not allowed to use birth control, the mindset is still very much that of the pre-reformation world.

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Catholics merged that God with the philosophers God in the 13th century.

Bullshit, as long as people are taught to feel guilty about sex, and not allowed to use birth control, the mindset is still very much that of the pre-reformation world.

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final cause. Lol.

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Bullshit, as long as people are taught to feel guilty about sex, and not allowed to use birth control, the mindset is still very much that of the pre-reformation world.

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong? What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

Fallible wrote:Final cause. Lol.

Isn't it funny? Lost cause more likely.

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Bullshit, as long as people are taught to feel guilty about sex, and not allowed to use birth control, the mindset is still very much that of the pre-reformation world.

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

You're quite right, the nuns didn't explain priests having sex with their charges to us, also not how the nuns were mostly there to satisfy the needs of the "father." This was in the dark ages before children were allowed to know what caused babies, and I suspect the nuns didn't know either.

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong?

I kind-of think you're wrong, unless you want to classify philosophy as a religion. It was the philosophers that dreamt up final cause. We Catholics have merely snarfed up a wonky idea and put it to good use reinforcing assorted prejudices.

What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

John Platko wrote:

The catholic position on birth control comes directly from philosophical ideas. Specifically, the concept of final cause.

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong? What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

It is not a religious idea. It is an instance of Greek philosophy, particularly Aristotle.

Agrippina wrote:

Fallible wrote:Final cause. Lol.

Isn't it funny? Lost cause more likely.

Yet, without it, efficient causation becomes remarkably mysterious. Ask Hume.

The pond of despair is drying up.

Mick wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Fallible wrote:Final cause. Lol.

Isn't it funny? Lost cause more likely.

Yet, without it, efficient causation becomes remarkably mysterious. Ask Hume.

Yet, without it, fim fam booblebop.

Mick wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Fallible wrote:Final cause. Lol.

Isn't it funny? Lost cause more likely.

Yet, without it, efficient causation becomes remarkably mysterious. Ask Hume.

People have been over this piece of idiotic apologetics wibble with you many times. It's getting boring.

John Platko wrote:

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong?

I kind-of think you're wrong, unless you want to classify philosophy as a religion. It was the philosophers that dreamt up final cause. We Catholics have merely snarfed up a wonky idea and put it to good use reinforcing assorted prejudices.

What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

Okay, thanks for the correction. I should have said "Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that has ever been seized upon by religion. Am I wrong?"

Mick wrote:

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Bullshit, it comes from old men in white dresses with red satin sashes having power over womens' bodies. There is a thread about that. Join it if you feel inclined to.

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong? What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

It is not a religious idea. It is an instance of Greek philosophy, particularly Aristotle.

Yes, thanks for repeating the correction. I should have said "Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that has ever been seized upon by religion. Am I wrong?"

What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

trubble76 wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Perhaps in addition to your teachers not explaining to you when Catholic priests can have sex, they also didn't explain to you the ins and outs of final cause, which is central to the issues and calculations of Catholic immorality.

Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that religion has dreamt up in all it's idiotic glory. Am I wrong?

I kind-of think you're wrong, unless you want to classify philosophy as a religion. It was the philosophers that dreamt up final cause. We Catholics have merely snarfed up a wonky idea and put it to good use reinforcing assorted prejudices.

What might be the Final Cause of your mouth, for example?

Okay, thanks for the correction. I should have said "Final Cause has to be one the worst ideas that has ever been seized upon by religion. Am I wrong?"

I wouldn't say you're wrong, but trying to pick the worst religious idea is a bit like trying to pick the ugliest face at a blobfish convention.

John Platko wrote:
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but trying to pick the worst religious idea is a bit like trying to pick the ugliest face at a blobfish convention.

Bit harsh on the blobfish, making them analogous to religion.

Sendraks wrote:

John Platko wrote:
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but trying to pick the worst religious idea is a bit like trying to pick the ugliest face at a blobfish convention.

Bit harsh on the blobfish, making them analogous to religion.

Indeed, and at least they are real.

Sendraks wrote:

John Platko wrote:
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but trying to pick the worst religious idea is a bit like trying to pick the ugliest face at a blobfish convention.

Bit harsh on the blobfish, making them analogous to religion.

I think that would depend on who they were in their past lives.

John Platko wrote:

Sendraks wrote:

John Platko wrote:
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but trying to pick the worst religious idea is a bit like trying to pick the ugliest face at a blobfish convention.

Bit harsh on the blobfish, making them analogous to religion.

I think that would depend on who they were in their past lives.

If one wishes to entertain such an unsubstantiated notion. However, charming or amusing the idea might be.