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Re: Who Made God?

#241  Postby Shrunk » Oct 26, 2016 5:13 pm

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Now, a follow up: Would the Pythagorean Theorem still hold in the absence of two dimensional space? That is to say: If only one dimensional space, or no space at, all existed (e.g. if all that existed was an immaterial god who transcended time and space and who had decided not to create any universe at all), would the Pythagoren Theorem no longer hold true? Would it then be possible that, in a two (or more) dimensional universe, one could draw a right angle triangle that did not obey the theorem?


As long as at least two dimensions exist, Pythagoras' theorem holds true. As long as mass and light exists, e=mc2 holds true.


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Re: Who Made God?

#242  Postby scott1328 » Oct 26, 2016 5:40 pm

Wortfish wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Now, a follow up: Would the Pythagorean Theorem still hold in the absence of two dimensional space? That is to say: If only one dimensional space, or no space at, all existed (e.g. if all that existed was an immaterial god who transcended time and space and who had decided not to create any universe at all), would the Pythagoren Theorem no longer hold true? Would it then be possible that, in a two (or more) dimensional universe, one could draw a right angle triangle that did not obey the theorem?


As long as at least two dimensions exist, Pythagoras' theorem holds true. As long as mass and light exists, e=mc2 holds true.

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Re: Who Made God?

#243  Postby scott1328 » Oct 27, 2016 4:24 am

The surface of a sphere is two dimensional and the Pythagorean theorem does not hold. in fact, if our space-time is non Euclidean then the Pythagorean theorem is only an approximation of how our universe works.

Therefore is no logically necessary reason that I am aware of that in our universe mass and energy must be equivalent, or given their equivalence, that the speed of light be finite, or constant, or that the relationship between the two be a simple linear relation, or that the proportionality constant have the speed of light as a term.
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Re: Who Made God?

#244  Postby Shrunk » Oct 27, 2016 10:15 am

scott1328 wrote:The surface of a sphere is two dimensional and the Pythagorean theorem does not hold. in fact, if our space-time is non Euclidean then the Pythagorean theorem is only an approximation of how our universe works.


And, even if that were the case, it would nonetheless remain true that, within a Euclidean system, the Pythagorean theorem holds. This is the case even if no Euclidean universe physically exists. So "Wortfish" has managed the impressive feat of being wrong in at least two different ways with a single statement. :clap:
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Re: Who Made God?

#245  Postby Wilbur » Nov 06, 2016 5:01 am

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Am I on a winner here?


You haven't confounded theism or anything but I'm sure most around here think it's a fine little zinger.
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Re: Who Made God?

#246  Postby Spinozasgalt » Nov 06, 2016 9:17 am

I've confounded theism.
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Re: Who Made God?

#247  Postby Fallible » Nov 07, 2016 8:28 am

In the fundament?
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Re: Who Made God?

#248  Postby Dark energy » Feb 04, 2017 12:58 am

God is mystery,but we can observe his ultimate grandeur through observations about the vast cosmos,the nebulea and supernoves which are his creations.we only describe GOD as he wishes to be described.

simple
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.

so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed,The Glory of GOD.
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Re: Who Made God?

#249  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 04, 2017 2:46 am

God is probably made in Shenzhen these days.
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Re: Who Made God?

#250  Postby scott1328 » Feb 04, 2017 7:01 am

Dark energy wrote:God is mystery,but we can observe his ultimate grandeur through observations about the vast cosmos,the nebulea and supernoves which are his creations.we only describe GOD as he wishes to be described.

simple
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.

so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed,The Glory of GOD.

And he sanctions the rape of children and the murder of innocents. Allahu Akbar
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Re: Who Made God?

#251  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Feb 04, 2017 8:28 am

Dark energy wrote:God is mystery,but we can observe his ultimate grandeur through observations about the vast cosmos,the nebulea and supernoves which are his creations.we only describe GOD as he wishes to be described.

simple
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.

so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed,The Glory of GOD.

Just to nip this in the butt, are you here to discuss, or just to preach?
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Re: Who Made God?

#252  Postby Dark energy » Feb 04, 2017 8:41 am

i hate preaching someone.
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Re: Who Made God?

#253  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Feb 04, 2017 8:44 am

Dark energy wrote:i hate preaching someone.

Yet, that is exactly what you did in the post I responded to.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Who Made God?

#254  Postby Dark energy » Feb 04, 2017 8:59 am

ok.it didnt seem like that to me.
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Re: Who Made God?

#255  Postby zulumoose » Feb 04, 2017 10:36 am

You made a whole bunch of assertions, made predictions and even gave instructions, all from the perspective of a faith based believer addressing a student, it couldn't be more preachy if you tried.

Do you have any rational basis at all for these beliefs, because if you do it might be interesting, if you don't then is your faith not mindless?
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Re: Who Made God?

#256  Postby Fallible » Feb 04, 2017 8:17 pm

Dark energy wrote:God is mystery,but we can observe his ultimate grandeur through observations about the vast cosmos,the nebulea and supernoves which are his creations.we only describe GOD as he wishes to be described.

simple
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.

so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed,The Glory of GOD.


How do you think God came by the complexity required to create ultimate grandeur, Dark energy? Did he just pop into existence like that, did something else make him like that or has he always existed like that?
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Re: Who Made God?

#257  Postby Agrippina » Feb 05, 2017 8:34 am

zulumoose wrote:You made a whole bunch of assertions, made predictions and even gave instructions, all from the perspective of a faith based believer addressing a student, it couldn't be more preachy if you tried.

Do you have any rational basis at all for these beliefs, because if you do it might be interesting, if you don't then is your faith not mindless?


Who are you talking to? This post is confusing.
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Re: Who Made God?

#258  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Feb 05, 2017 9:08 am

Agrippina wrote:
zulumoose wrote:You made a whole bunch of assertions, made predictions and even gave instructions, all from the perspective of a faith based believer addressing a student, it couldn't be more preachy if you tried.

Do you have any rational basis at all for these beliefs, because if you do it might be interesting, if you don't then is your faith not mindless?


Who are you talking to? This post is confusing.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53232&p=2522610#p2522610
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-faith/who-made-god-t53232-240.html#p2522744
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-faith/who-made-god-t53232-240.html#p2522749
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Who Made God?

#259  Postby Agrippina » Feb 05, 2017 9:54 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Agrippina wrote:
zulumoose wrote:You made a whole bunch of assertions, made predictions and even gave instructions, all from the perspective of a faith based believer addressing a student, it couldn't be more preachy if you tried.

Do you have any rational basis at all for these beliefs, because if you do it might be interesting, if you don't then is your faith not mindless?


Who are you talking to? This post is confusing.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53232&p=2522610#p2522610
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-faith/who-made-god-t53232-240.html#p2522744
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-faith/who-made-god-t53232-240.html#p2522749


OK thanks. If this isn't preaching then I don't know how to recognise it. Missed it in my initial read-through.

God is mystery,but we can observe his ultimate grandeur through observations about the vast cosmos,the nebulea and supernoves which are his creations.we only describe GOD as he wishes to be described.

simple
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.

so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed,The Glory of GOD.


The people who created "God" and who believe in him, they have a really good idea here. No one ever returns from death to destroy their argument about living after death, so they just believe it, die, then can't regret the waste of their lives because, well, they're just dead, like they were before they were born.

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Re: Who Made God?

#260  Postby archibald » Feb 05, 2017 10:11 am

Dark energy wrote:so,when we meet him from person person on the next life that is when the biggest mystery will be revealed.


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