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Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#1  Postby quas » Jun 13, 2017 6:26 pm


David Wood explains it so well, you'd think he is an atheist.
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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#2  Postby Sendraks » Jun 13, 2017 6:35 pm

Uh huh, they all benefit from it.

https://fas.org/irp/threat/nctc2011.pdf

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#3  Postby tuco » Jun 13, 2017 6:42 pm

Is David Wood protected by FUA?
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#4  Postby Matthew Shute » Jun 13, 2017 7:17 pm

I'll have a look at the video in a bit, but what a ridiculous title. Most victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslim.

Muslims are the main victims of Islam in general, stuck in the mental shackles, and in various places suffering under insufferable Islamic laws.
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#5  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 13, 2017 8:17 pm

Uh huh, they all benefit from it.

https://fas.org/irp/threat/nctc2011.pdf


Matthew Shute wrote:I'll have a look at the video in a bit, but what a ridiculous title. Most victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslim.

Muslims are the main victims of Islam in general, stuck in the mental shackles, and in various places suffering under insufferable Islamic laws.


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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#6  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jun 13, 2017 8:59 pm

What a dumbass.
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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#7  Postby Mazille » Jun 13, 2017 9:51 pm

The premise is dumb and obviously false, depending on how you define "benefit".

Still. In the beginning he mentions an online comment. Was that our Michael Gardener from way back, you think?

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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#8  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 13, 2017 10:18 pm

quas wrote:David Wood explains it so well, you'd think he is an atheist.


Explains what? That the thought of conversions from Xianity to Islam keeps him up nights? What has that to do with atheism?
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#9  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jun 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Omg the comments are a bunch of people agreeing with him.

Off to kill myself now.
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#10  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jun 14, 2017 1:58 am

Matthew Shute wrote:I'll have a look at the video in a bit, but what a ridiculous title. Most victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslim.

Muslims are the main victims of Islam in general, stuck in the mental shackles, and in various places suffering under insufferable Islamic laws.


Yeah, I was about to ask, does that include all the Muslims killed, maimed, had to flee their homes or lost family and friends through terrorism?
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#11  Postby quas » Jun 14, 2017 3:08 am

Matthew Shute wrote:I'll have a look at the video in a bit, but what a ridiculous title. Most victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslim.

Muslims are the main victims of Islam in general, stuck in the mental shackles, and in various places suffering under insufferable Islamic laws.

If they are indeed suffering, wouldn't they leave their religion?

You'd think that victims of Stockholm Syndrome are suffering, but nope. They are enjoying it.
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#12  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jun 14, 2017 3:47 am

Uh, how would leaving Islam prevent terrorists killing them? That would make them a target for additional reasons.
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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#13  Postby quas » Jun 14, 2017 3:50 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:Uh, how would leaving Islam prevent terrorists killing them? That would make them a target for additional reasons.


Which is why terrorism benefits the religion, and thus its adherents.
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#14  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 14, 2017 4:00 am

quas wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:Uh, how would leaving Islam prevent terrorists killing them? That would make them a target for additional reasons.


Which is why terrorism benefits the religion, and thus its adherents.


I don't think you can draw such facile conclusions from the patterns of life in repressive Islamic theocracies. Wood is talking about conversions to Islam outside those societies, but he does not support his thesis with anything but anecdotes. Try to keep your eye on the ball, instead of using random youtube videos to confirm your prejudices.

I think if he wanted to, Wood could find data to support the hypothesis that later-generation Muslims in non-Islamic societies tend to be less devout than their parents or grandparents. Again, Wood (evidently a Christian) is stalking the spectre of conversion.
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#15  Postby Manticore » Jun 14, 2017 4:23 am

Must show this to some of my Muslim friends. Give them a good laugh.
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Re: Why All Muslims Benefit from Terrorism

#16  Postby quas » Jun 14, 2017 4:39 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
I don't think you can draw such facile conclusions from the patterns of life in repressive Islamic theocracies. Wood is talking about conversions to Islam outside those societies, but he does not support his thesis with anything but anecdotes. Try to keep your eye on the ball, instead of using random youtube videos to confirm your prejudices.


What he is saying is not only applicable to outward conversions (converting people from outside), but also inward conversions (converting those who are already Muslims). There are people who consider themselves as Muslims, but they are not so pious, not always practicing all the rituals. They don't always pray 5 times a day, they don't always fast during the fasting month, etc. They are also those who are already practicing, and they become even more hardcore in their religious practice. In women, you can see them upgrading their veils. Initially, the hair is covered, then the nose and mouth, and then the eyes. In men, you can see them growing longer and longer beard, and perhaps also darker forehead.

I think if you wanted to, you could find data to support the hypothesis that later-generation Muslims in non-Islamic societies tend to be less devout than their parents or grandparents. Again, Wood (evidently a Christian) is stalking the spectre of conversion.

Supposing you could find that data, would you agree that that's only a minority of the case since most Muslims live in an increasingly Islamic environment?
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#17  Postby quas » Jun 14, 2017 4:41 am

Manticore wrote:Must show this to some of my Muslim friends. Give them a good laugh.


And when they do laugh, accuse them of practicing taqiya, it would only make the laughter more boisterous.
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#18  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 14, 2017 4:51 am

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Cito di Pense wrote:
I don't think you can draw such facile conclusions from the patterns of life in repressive Islamic theocracies. Wood is talking about conversions to Islam outside those societies, but he does not support his thesis with anything but anecdotes. Try to keep your eye on the ball, instead of using random youtube videos to confirm your prejudices.


What he is saying is not only applicable to outward conversions (converting people from outside), but also inward conversions (converting those who are already Muslims). There are people who consider themselves as Muslims, but they are not so pious, not always practicing all the rituals. They don't always pray 5 times a day, they don't always fast during the fasting month, etc. They are also those who are already practicing, and they become even more hardcore in their religious practice. In women, you can see them upgrading their veils. Initially, the hair is covered, then the nose and mouth, and then the eyes. In men, you can see them growing longer and longer beard, and perhaps also darker forehead.

I think if you wanted to, you could find data to support the hypothesis that later-generation Muslims in non-Islamic societies tend to be less devout than their parents or grandparents. Again, Wood (evidently a Christian) is stalking the spectre of conversion.

Supposing you could find that data, would you agree that that's only a minority of the case since most Muslims live in an increasingly Islamic environment?


It's interesting to think about whether radicalization is at least in part a response to declining devotion in the local Muslim population at large. Religious people may relate much more intensely to diversity of opinion within their faith, and the radical calls to attack Westerners come because they cannot pursue sectarian violence as they can inside Islamic theocracies. Some believers will look at other believers letting go of the same tenets and be much more disturbed by that than by the values of competing religions. It's true that Islamic texts preach the spread of Islam, but that's a lot more easily said than done, and paranoid twerps like Wood just lap up that sort of thing. He'd be better off tending his own garden.
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#19  Postby quas » Jun 14, 2017 4:52 am

Mazille wrote:The premise is dumb and obviously false, depending on how you define "benefit".


He defined benefit as gaining more conversion for both moderates and radicals. It's true that acts of terrorism have drawn people to study Islam, and as a result of that, got converted. It's also true that acts of terrorism gave rise to Ben Affleck types that, in their zeal to defend Muslims, are eager to chastise those who hold Islam culpable for terrorism, and thus in effect censor criticism of Islam.
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#20  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 14, 2017 4:54 am

quas wrote:
Mazille wrote:The premise is dumb and obviously false, depending on how you define "benefit".


He defined benefit as gaining more conversion for both moderates and radicals. It's true that acts of terrorism have drawn people to study Islam, and as a result of that, got converted. It's also true that acts of terrorism gave rise to Ben Affleck types that -in their zeal to defend Muslims- are eager to chastise those who hold Islam culpable for terrorism, and in effect censoring criticism of Islam.


Again, these hypotheses are supported only by anecdotes and gut feelings, and not by the weight of statistical evidence. When you have that, Wood's screed will gain some substance. You can certainly observe people studying Islam because they want to know what the fuck is up with 'those people' (encoding xenophobia), and you can certainly observe what you call "Ben Affleck" types. What has not been demonstrated is that these observations are statistically significant. More thoughtful individuals are not simply eager to confirm prejudices they already suffer from.

Don't mistake someone's questioning of someone else's fanaticism for an attempt at censorship. We see enough of that around here. Religious faith can be directly questioned as such, and we don't need the exotic spices of culture wars to sweeten that pot. Now that I think of it, "culture wars" are only pursued by people defending their 'culture'. Atheism doesn't have that concern, does it? Atheism feels loneliest in societies that don't support secularism.
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