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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#81  Postby fastonez » Jan 18, 2011 11:39 pm

Where's that coming from, rev? You asked me if god tells me what I can or can't do and I said no. How is that trolling? Was that necessary?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#82  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jan 18, 2011 11:40 pm

What is it that you find comforting and reassuring about god, fastonez?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#83  Postby rEvolutionist » Jan 18, 2011 11:44 pm

fastonez wrote:Where's that coming from, rev? You asked me if god tells me what I can or can't do and I said no. How is that trolling? Was that necessary?


You've been asked many many times to clarify what god you believe in, and you keep pretending like the question has never been asked. As others have said many times, we can't address your points properly without knowing which god(s) you believe in.

Anyway, you clearly can't believe in the Christian God, as the bible absolutely tells you what you can and can't do. So which god is it then?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#84  Postby fastonez » Jan 18, 2011 11:49 pm

Rev, I've never taken the time to name it. You must be aware that there are many people who feel that there's a god yet don't subscribe to any religion where "god" is defined. I'm not a christian but I'm also not a troll. I was just answering your question.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#85  Postby hackenslash » Jan 18, 2011 11:50 pm

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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#86  Postby fastonez » Jan 18, 2011 11:51 pm

hackenslash wrote:1 down, 29,999 to go...


Are there really that many?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#87  Postby rEvolutionist » Jan 18, 2011 11:55 pm

fastonez wrote:Rev, I've never taken the time to name it. You must be aware that there are many people who feel that there's a god yet don't subscribe to any religion where "god" is defined. I'm not a christian but I'm also not a troll. I was just answering your question.


Ok, this is good. Why didn't you just say this when people asked you this question the previous 20 times? So you are a Deist I suppose (is that correct? - I don't really do religion).

So one obvious question I have is what's up with this god and floods in Queensland Australia at the moment (actually a better example would be Christian Brazil where far more lives were lost)? Why is God fucking us all up like that? Does that sort of action from God bring you comfort?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#88  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 19, 2011 12:05 am

fastonez wrote:
hackenslash wrote:1 down, 29,999 to go...


Are there really that many?


A mere drop in the ocean of human created divine entities.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#89  Postby fastonez » Jan 19, 2011 12:11 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
fastonez wrote:Rev, I've never taken the time to name it. You must be aware that there are many people who feel that there's a god yet don't subscribe to any religion where "god" is defined. I'm not a christian but I'm also not a troll. I was just answering your question.


Ok, this is good. Why didn't you just say this when people asked you this question the previous 20 times? So you are a Deist I suppose (is that correct? - I don't really do religion).

So one obvious question I have is what's up with this god and floods in Queensland Australia at the moment (actually a better example would be Christian Brazil where far more lives were lost)? Why is God fucking us all up like that? Does that sort of action from God bring you comfort?


What do you mean what's up with god and floods?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#90  Postby Peter Brown » Jan 19, 2011 12:12 am

Have you ever wondered if you might be opening up your psyche to harm fastonez by this feel good factor from god you say you have?

It is one thing to use god to relieve stress, or as a born again friend once told me, ‘be concerned, not worried’, but as a catholic also told me once in conversation, ‘you don’t have to be a doormat’ either. If you put too much faith in this god sorting things out, whilst you feel good, you might end up hurt and suffer a cumulative burnout when he doesn’t solve problems that you could find help for.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#91  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 19, 2011 12:17 am

fastonez wrote:
What do you mean what's up with god and floods?


Because you are unwilling to provide a clearer description of your chosen entity, it's only fair that other people can make assumptions about the remit of your preferred entity based on what the billions of other believers in non-existent entities have historically claimed.

Each little flower that opens,
each little bird that sings,
God made their glowing colors,
and made their tiny wings.

The purple-headed mountains,
the river running by,
the sunset and the morning
that brightens up the sky.

The cold wind in the winter,
the pleasant summer sun,
the ripe fruits in the garden:
God made them every one.

God gave us eyes to see them,
and lips that we might tell
how great is God Almighty,
who has made all things well.


(although this one's far better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Lp4-y4RFE)


As I said, you have only yourself to blame for refusing to describe this being that you also assert exists.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#92  Postby fastonez » Jan 19, 2011 12:18 am

Peter Brown wrote:Have you ever wondered if you might be opening up your psyche to harm fastonez by this feel good factor from god you say you have?

It is one thing to use god to relieve stress, or as a born again friend once told me, ‘be concerned, not worried’, but as a catholic also told me once in conversation, ‘you don’t have to be a doormat’ either. If you put too much faith in this god sorting things out, whilst you feel good, you might end up hurt and suffer a cumulative burnout when he doesn’t solve problems that you could find help for.


I appreciate that but I don't rely on god to sort things out.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#93  Postby fastonez » Jan 19, 2011 12:19 am

Spearthrower wrote:
fastonez wrote:
What do you mean what's up with god and floods?


Because you are unwilling to provide a clearer description of your chosen entity, it's only fair that other people can make assumptions about the remit of your entity based on what the billions of other believers in non-existent entities have historically claimed.

Each little flower that opens,
each little bird that sings,
God made their glowing colors,
and made their tiny wings.

The purple-headed mountains,
the river running by,
the sunset and the morning
that brightens up the sky.

The cold wind in the winter,
the pleasant summer sun,
the ripe fruits in the garden:
God made them every one.


God gave us eyes to see them,
and lips that we might tell
how great is God Almighty,
who has made all things well.



(although this one's far better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Lp4-y4RFE)


That's fair. But it's not that I'm unwilling, it's just that I don't really know where to start. Please don't confuse the two.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#94  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 19, 2011 12:21 am

fastonez wrote:
That's fair. But it's not that I'm unwilling, it's just that I don't really know where to start. Please don't confuse the two.



Doesn't it make you reflect though, that you are perfectly prepared to claim that you get comfort from believing in it, yet struggle to explain what 'it' is?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#95  Postby fastonez » Jan 19, 2011 12:23 am

Spearthrower wrote:
fastonez wrote:
That's fair. But it's not that I'm unwilling, it's just that I don't really know where to start. Please don't confuse the two.



Doesn't it make you reflect though, that you are perfectly prepared to claim that you get comfort from believing in it, yet struggle to explain what 'it' is?


Well, it just means that I don't know where to start when it comes to defining it.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#96  Postby cherries » Jan 19, 2011 12:34 am

fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


i haven't read the whole thread so i might have missed it but what exactly helps you to be strong?
is it that you think that god will help you,support you or that it will deal out justice when you are wronged?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#97  Postby Lewis » Jan 19, 2011 12:36 am

Mr.Samsa stated:

As far as I know, there is no difference between the benefits provided by each specific religion - they all increase lifespan, happiness, number of friends, as well as reducing the rate of depression and other mental disorders. You can find numerous articles on these findings in a number of psychology journals, they're very common. Most notably: Psychology of Religion and Spirituality.

Obviously the main point that these researchers raise is that it's not the case that there is something supernatural going on, it's not like their gods protect them from the bad things in life, but belonging to a religion naturally brings about a number of personality traits that shield us from developing mental disorders (they give us purpose in life, belief in ourselves, etc) and they also provide us with huge social support networks. These are the reasons why the religious live such better lives than the non-religious (on average), so whilst it's true that we can say "Oh but we can get those things without religion!, it seems to be the case that a lot of people can't. Religion is just like a cookie cutter approach to achieving stable mental health.


Whether what they believe is "true" or not is irrelevant.


I can’t agree more; plentiful medical research shows much the same. I ascribe most of the benefits touted to the fact that religionists are said to generally lead healthier, more stable family lifestyles; which begs the question as to which mode is the more rational, atheist or religionist. In truth of course, religion merely represents one feel-good activity amid hosts.

Some psychologist suggest that humans display a natural tendency, or spiritual need, to believe in something beyond and bigger than themselves, whatever that might consist of, with our brains in effect partly ‘geared’ this way. Not to note how almost from the moment we’re born, parents and society involuntarily imbues each of us with a welter of irrational values, modes and syndromes, a certain unique way of thinking, rendering the notion that atheists are somehow immune, somehow more rational than anybody else, innately absurd.

As said elsewhere too, different aspects of daily life, including accompanying irrationalities, slot into separate mental compartments, and with what’s perceived as normal or common sense behaviour largely overriding the irrational. I haven’t seen any believers jump off tall buildings lately thinking God would save them!

Go to almost any casino and you’re sure to meet Chinese folk who fervently believe in ‘luck’ and here I have in fact seen its effects first hand at the blackjack tables. One day your newly-acquired Chinese friend is sure it’s not his lucky day, he plays hesitantly, making all the wrong moves, the next he’s sure it is, plays boldly, and more often than not . . . wins.

As a psychologist would say: positive thinking is the name of the game; pray every day to some imaginary god for the things you want or how you want to be, or, as featured in some self-improvement courses, stand every morning in front of a mirror reciting the same mantra; the final outcomes will probably be pretty much alike. Any particular activity only really turns irrational when costs harmfully start to outweigh the benefits gained, or ‘out-of-control’.


Durro gains self-satisfaction through overcoming adversity and though achieving things through own efforts, but this is how every single one of us gains self-fulfillment, even if it’s only a thing as seemingly mediocre as sinking a golf ball.


Seeing that ‘god’ is no more but a personal perception or mental construct --- I’ve yet to come across anything indicting otherwise! --- just as applies to ‘luck’ and many other human concepts, of course it’s ‘vague’, Goldenmane, the same way your understanding of ‘love’ probably differs from everyone else’s.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#98  Postby fastonez » Jan 19, 2011 12:38 am

cherries wrote:
fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


i haven't read the whole thread so i might have missed it but what exactly helps you to be strong?
is it that you think that god will help you,support you or that it will deal out justice when you are wronged?


I feel that god helps me to deal with stuff, and I also feel that god has a purpose for everything, which makes it easy to come to terms with stuff. Do I believe that god hands out justice? I suppose so, in a way.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#99  Postby Oldskeptic » Jan 19, 2011 12:48 am

Fastonez wrote:
Well, it just means that I don't know where to start when it comes to defining it.


Oh for fooksake! This is ridiculous. You come here declaring yourself a believer in god and don't even know where to start in telling anyone what it is that you believe in? Pathetic!
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#100  Postby Peter Brown » Jan 19, 2011 12:50 am

I also feel that god has a purpose for everything


Well what about the bouts of flue going about killing people, what might be the purpose of that virus? A test to see if you go to a doctor or hope god cures it? I’m not trying to facetious, just trying to highlight that being logical and balancing the risks is better than faith things will get better.

It’s a lot like poor old Job who cry’s and says why and god says shutup peon. I feel sorry for the character Job and he never got a simple answer like I was testing you.
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