Why God/Allah doesn't exist

Agrippina · **#141** by **Agrippina** » Jan 02, 2012 11:36 am

@Nicko

chairman bill · **#142** by **chairman bill** » Jan 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Page eight. Still no arguments from the usual suspects. Might it mean that they have none?

Scot Dutchy · **#143** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jan 03, 2012 6:19 pm

Bill they have probably retired after getting the pommiling on the other threads.

chairman bill · **#144** by **chairman bill** » Jan 03, 2012 6:24 pm

You'd think that a straight up statement, such as in the title of this thread, that their god doesn't exist, would have them clamouring to post in its defence. Obviously the argument put forward in the OP was a killer.

Nicko · **#145** by **Nicko** » Jan 04, 2012 2:23 pm

Perhaps many here are unaware of the liturgy associated with the Rerformed Evangelical Apostolic Church of the Latter-Day Batman and its rich history. I present some of it now:

The Bat-Prayer

Our Dark Knight who art in Gotham, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in Gotham.
Give us this day our violent, vicarious vengence on the sectors of society who annoy us.
And forgive us our trespasses, because we'd rather be hypocrites than beaten to a pulp ourselves.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Marvel: For thine is the Batcave, the Batmobile, and the fucking Bat-shark-repellent, for ever and ever.

Na-na na-na na-na na-na, na! Batman!

chairman bill · **#146** by **chairman bill** » Jan 04, 2012 2:28 pm

The point is, in spite of all the humour and the Batman Heresy, still a serious one, and so far, the counter argument to the case made in the OP is still missing..

Nicko · **#147** by **Nicko** » Jan 04, 2012 2:53 pm

chairman bill wrote:The point is, in spite of all the humour and the Batman Heresy, still a serious one ...

Are you mocking my faith?

... and so far, the counter argument to the case made in the OP is still missing..

Perhaps their "counter arguments" would bear an embarrassing resemblance to the position advanced by the Reformed Evangelical Apostolic Church of the Latter-Day Batman.

I would now like to present the Ontological Argument For The Existence Of The Caped Crusader.

P1: Batman is perfectly awesome.
P2: If Batman did not exist, that would be less awesome than if he did.
C: Batman exists.

Agrippina · **#148** by **Agrippina** » Jan 06, 2012 4:35 am

God exists only in the minds of the people who talk to themselves thinking that they're actually talking to something that exists outside their heads.

Nicko · **#149** by **Nicko** » Jan 08, 2012 10:55 am

chairman bill wrote:
Nicko wrote:Does Odin have one of these Bill?

No. He has a chariot pulled by goats. Which is far more god-like & generally cool. Batman's just a flash bastard.

I see that this is one of those instances where the believer must be schooled on his own religion by the infidel.

The goat chariot is Thor's ride, not Odin's. And it's not cool, it's funny.

Odin's preferred mode of transport is an eight-legged flying horse called Sleipnir. Sleipnir's father was a stallion belonging to a giant. His mother was Loki. Yes, his mother. The gods needed to prevent the giant finishing his work because they wanted to welch on a bet they had going with him. Loki sabotaged the work by transforming into a mare, luring the stallion away and sexually exhausting him with his magic horse-poon. The result: eight-legged flying horse.

And an extremely embarrassed - not to mention sore - god of mischief.

And that Bill, is not "cool". That is just wrong. How wrong? I'll let the Son of the Dark Knight speak for me:

chairman bill · **#150** by **chairman bill** » Jan 08, 2012 11:03 am

Yes, my mistake. Though Odin does borrow the chariot on Tuesday afternoons.

nunnington · **#151** by **nunnington** » Jan 08, 2012 11:11 am

chairman bill

Just noticed this thread. I think from the point of view of sceptical theism, oops, skeptical, there are a few replies to your OP:

1. Yes, God does not exist. This is stated in classical theism, since 'exist' usually denotes spacetime existence.
2. We cannot know God, whether via personal revelation or whatever, since 'we see through a glass darkly'.
3. We have images/symbols of transcendence, but no way of knowing if they are accurate.
4. Some people claim to get 'glimpses of transcendence', enlightenment experiences, such as satori, but again, we can't state if these are accurate.
5. None the less, some people find such experiences life-changing.
5. Errm, I can't remember how this goes on. Oh yes, I like going to church. I like the pictures and the music and the silences.
6. I'm getting tired, and need a nap.

Doubtdispelled · **#152** by **Doubtdispelled** » Jan 08, 2012 11:13 am

Nicko · **#153** by **Nicko** » Jan 08, 2012 11:59 am

chairman bill wrote:Yes, my mistake. Though Odin does borrow the chariot on Tuesday afternoons.

Somewhat irresponsible of him to be driving or riding anyway, considering his diet.

chairman bill · **#154** by **chairman bill** » Jan 08, 2012 12:09 pm

Nicko wrote:
chairman bill wrote:Yes, my mistake. Though Odin does borrow the chariot on Tuesday afternoons.

Somewhat irresponsible of him to be driving or riding anyway, considering his diet.

He's a god. He can take it.

chairman bill · **#155** by **chairman bill** » Jan 08, 2012 12:10 pm

nunnington wrote:chairman bill

Just noticed this thread. I think from the point of view of sceptical theism, oops, skeptical, there are a few replies to your OP:

1. Yes, God does not exist. This is stated in classical theism, since 'exist' usually denotes spacetime existence.
2. We cannot know God, whether via personal revelation or whatever, since 'we see through a glass darkly'.
3. We have images/symbols of transcendence, but no way of knowing if they are accurate.
4. Some people claim to get 'glimpses of transcendence', enlightenment experiences, such as satori, but again, we can't state if these are accurate.
5. None the less, some people find such experiences life-changing.
5. Errm, I can't remember how this goes on. Oh yes, I like going to church. I like the pictures and the music and the silences.
6. I'm getting tired, and need a nap.

That seems to sum it up. Thanks

chairman bill · **#156** by **chairman bill** » Jan 26, 2012 6:30 pm

I notice that on the thread about arguments for strong atheism, some theists are up on their hind legs, spouting bollocks about, well just bollocks really. But they aren't posting on this thread. It's almost as if they're pretending the killer argument presented in the OP doesn't exist, and just continuing to spout nonsense about their pet godling. Amazing stuff.

Agrippina · **#157** by **Agrippina** » Jan 26, 2012 6:35 pm

You'd get them here if you said reality doesn't exist. :naughty:

chairman bill · **#158** by **chairman bill** » Feb 09, 2012 4:06 pm

This thread is still here, and theists are still generally notable by their absence. Where's Jireh, for instance? He reckons he's got evidence for his god. You'd think that if he was telling the truth, he'd share that stuff here, wouldn't you?

Clive Durdle · **#159** by **Clive Durdle** » Feb 09, 2012 4:30 pm

Just reading some Jung influenced stuff. God outside spacetime does not work because there are very good reasons why humans create gods.

It also does not work because the concept of god outside spacetime - supernatural - was invented in the Middle Ages to answer the question where and when is god.

And I am having a real crisis of faith - should I worship Zeus, Odin, Batman, the FSM or the dark goddess of chocolate?

Arcanyn · **#160** by **Arcanyn** » Feb 09, 2012 5:07 pm

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