Thomas Eshuis wrote:I've nothing against Collins being a Christian. Just disappointed that this is presented as evidence for Christianity, that a scientist converted to it.

Animavore wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:I've nothing against Collins being a Christian. Just disappointed that this is presented as evidence for Christianity, that a scientist converted to it.

In fairness, It's no worse than any of other evidence presented.

ElDiablo wrote:I don't know anything about Collins except what's in that video and I see nothing wrong with his personal revelation. If that's what he believes, so what. if he's good at what he does that's what counts.

Calilasseia wrote:

Mick wrote:"Confusing science with answering why questions"

Patient: Why is my nose running?
Doctor: Sorry, science doesn't answer that question!

Lol

Got something other than infantile caricature to offer here, Mick?

Because even without professional medical knowledge, I can answer this one.

Patient: "Why is my noise running?"

Me: "The coronaviruses that generated your cold symptoms, resulted in the death of some of your epithelial cells in the mucous membranes of your nose, and the resulting immune response to non-programmed cell death stimulated the remaining epithelial cells (in particular the Bowman's glands in the nasal mucosae) to secrete copious quantities of mucins and IgA, the latter compound itself being an immunoglobulin helping to protect the mucosae against further pathogenic attack. Your runny nose is the visible sign of this increased secretion."

LucidFlight wrote:Yes, the telos! Science cannot provide the telos of snot. lol.

WHO, or why, or which, or what,
Is the Telos of Snot?

Is he tall or short, or dark or fair?
Does he sit on a stool or a sofa or chair,
OR SQUAT?
The Telos of Snot?

Is he wise or foolish, young or old?
Does he drink his soup or his coffee cold,
OR HOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he sing or whistle, jabber or talk,
And when riding abroad does he gallop or walk,
OR TROT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he wear a turban, a fez or a hat?
Does he sleep on a matress, a bed, or a mat,
OR A COT,
The Telos of Snot?

When he writes a copy in round-hand size,
Does he cross his T’s and finish his I’s
WITH A DOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Can he write a letter concisely clear
Without a speck or a smudge or a smear
OR BLOT, 25
The Telos of Snot?

Do his people like him extremely well?
Or do they, whenever they can, rebel,
OR PLOT,
At the Telos of Snot?

If he catches them then, either old or young,
Does he have them chopped in pieces or hung,
OR SHOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Do his people prig in the lanes or park?
Or even at times when days are dark,
GARROTTE!
O the Telos of Snot!

Does he study the wants of his own dominion?
Or doesn’t he care for public opinion
A JOT,
The Telos of Snot?

To amuse his mind do the people show him
Pictures, or any one’s last new poem,
OR WHAT,
For the Telos of Snot?

At night if he suddenly screams and wakes,
Do they bring him only a few small cakes,
OR A LOT,
For the Telos of Snot?

Does he live on turnips, tea, or tripe?
Does he like his shawl to be marked with a stripe,
OR A DOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he like to lie on his back in a boat
Like the lady who lived in that isle remote,
SHALLOTT,
The Telos of Snot?

Is he quiet or always making a fuss?
Is his steward a Swiss or a Swede or a Russ,
OR A SCOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he drink small beer from a silver
Or to sleep and snore in a dark green cave,
OR A GROTT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he drink small beer from a silver jug?
Or a bowl? or a glass? or a cup? or a mug?
OR A POT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he beat his wife with a gold-topped pipe,
When she lets the gooseberries grow too ripe,
OR ROT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he wear a white tie when he dines with friends,
And tie it neat in a bow with ends,
OR A KNOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he like new cream and hate mince-pies?
When he looks at the sun does he wink his eyes,
OR NOT,
The Telos of Snot?

Does he teach his subjects to roast and bake?
Does he sail about on an inland lake,
IN A YACHT,
The Telos of Snot.

Some one, or nobody, knows I wot
Who or which or why or what
Is the Telos of Snot.

Rumraket wrote:Yes, emotion. Zero about evidence, not even philosophical arguments - just pure emotion. What is neglected in that interview, but he writes about in his book, is that on his hiking tour he saw a frozen waterfall with something like three frozen streams of water, and it was so beautiful it must have meant the holy trinity of christianity was true.

There's also some stuff about him not feeling he had anything to say to people who were dying, which he met over the course of his research in cancer.

So basically a need for placeholders and some weird emotional experience.

*sigh*