The wrong concepts mentioned in Torah or first five books of OT do not mention truthful teachings given by the Creator God to Moses; these are writings of scribes not writings of Moses in original.

Moses is not responsible for the wrongs in Judaism or for the wrongs in Jews.

I defend Moses not Judaism.

Sigh.

Almost 2 years on this forum and you still don't understand what a proper argument is supposed to entail.

I couldn't be more bored of the worthless nonsense that you trot out of an evening.

Do you think Moses met God or do you think he just lied about it or did someone else lie about it on his behalf?

I'm sorry, can you clarify your post for me? What "wrongs"are you even talking about?

paarsurrey wrote:The wrong concepts mentioned in Torah or first five books of OT do not mention truthful teachings given by the Creator God to Moses; these are writings of scribes not writings of Moses in original.

Moses is not responsible for the wrongs in Judaism or for the wrongs in Jews.

I defend Moses not Judaism.

Bribase wrote:Sigh.

Almost 2 years on this forum and you still don't understand what a proper argument is supposed to entail.

I couldn't be more bored of the worthless nonsense that you trot out of an evening.

You are welcome to discuss; if you have anything in your mind on the topic.

Thanks

HomerJay wrote:Do you think Moses met God or do you think he just lied about it or did someone else lie about it on his behalf?

The Creator God is only attributive; He is neither physical nor a spirit; so a physical human being like Moses could not meet Him face to face.

It is a phenomenon which is described thus; yes in this sense Moses did meet the Creator God.

BlackBart wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

Bribase wrote:Sigh.

Almost 2 years on this forum and you still don't understand what a proper argument is supposed to entail.

I couldn't be more bored of the worthless nonsense that you trot out of an evening.

You are welcome to discuss; if you have anything in your mind on the topic.

Thanks

Ok. Where does this 'Creator God' thing you keep mentioning come from?

The Creator God does not have to "come" from anywhere.

Nebogipfel wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:The wrong concepts mentioned in Torah or first five books of OT do not mention truthful teachings given by the Creator God to Moses; these are writings of scribes not writings of Moses in original.

Moses is not responsible for the wrongs in Judaism or for the wrongs in Jews.

I defend Moses not Judaism.

Yes, please;what is on your mind? Please

More unsubstantiated bullshit.

Imagination Theory wrote:I'm sorry, can you clarify your post for me? What "wrongs"are you even talking about?

There are many distorted teachings in Torah which Moses did not say or practice; but Judaism and Jews believe that he taught and practice them.

BlackBart wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

paarsurrey wrote:

You are welcome to discuss; if you have anything in your mind on the topic.

Thanks

Ok. Where does this 'Creator God' thing you keep mentioning come from?

The Creator God does not have to "come" from anywhere.

What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

I think it were you who used the word "come" for the Creator God. I made no such "assertion".

BlackBart wrote:And if he is neither physical nor spiritual, how can he interact with matter in order to communicate these teachings?

Like me and you communicate with one another with words, sentences, images, figures etc; so could He- the Creator God, at His discretion.

paarsurrey wrote:

HomerJay wrote:Do you think Moses met God or do you think he just lied about it or did someone else lie about it on his behalf?

It is a phenomenon which is described thus; yes in this sense Moses did meet the Creator God.

So that's a yes, you do believe moses met god.

So even though the only evidence you have for believing this has been tampered with by the evil jews, you think it most likely that Moses did meet god but the transcript of the meeting is just wrong?

It seems more likely, if the transcript is wrong, that then there is no evidence for believing that the bit about Moses meeting god is true at all.

Unless you think you have independent evidence as well, like Muhammad's night journey.

So Muhammad met Moses and Moses told Muhammad the true story.

But probably there are no flying horses, so probably Muhammad is a liar, who never met Moses and Moses was either a liar or lied about.

So Muhammad lied about Moses to discredit Judaism and hijack it and attempted to lead the jews. Unfortunately the jews told the liar to go away, so muslims attack Jerusalem and claim it is theirs.

1400 years later muslims are still lying about Muhammad and Moses and Jerusalem and attacking the jews. Nice.

Like Moses ordered killing of "three and twenty thousand men" of Jews; this seems the doing of the scribes not of Moses.

Chapter 32:26-28

[26] Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: [27] And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. [28] And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/02032.htm

paarsurrey wrote:The wrong concepts mentioned in Torah or first five books of OT do not mention truthful teachings given by the Creator God to Moses; these are writings of scribes not writings of Moses in original.

Mostly gibberish, but I tend to agree; in fact I think that none of the concepts came from "God", "the Creator God" or as the oldest texts refer to; "Elohim" nor were they given to Moses. There appears to be no actual reason to think that any of these characters even existed.

paarsurrey wrote:Moses is not responsible for the wrongs in Judaism or for the wrongs in Jews.

No, probably not.

paarsurrey wrote:I defend Moses not Judaism.

Um okay. I defend Donald Duck not Mickey Mouse
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paarsurrey wrote:The Creator God is only attributive; He is neither physical nor a spirit; so a physical human being like Moses could not meet Him face to face.

It is a phenomenon which is described thus; yes in this sense Moses did meet the Creator God.

Is this supposed to make even a lick of sense?!

Neither physical nor a spirit? What's left, really?!
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paarsurrey wrote:The Creator God does not have to "come" from anywhere.

Empty assertion.

The universe does not have to "come" from anywhere. See how easy that is to do?

So do you have any reason for anyone to believe this?

paarsurrey wrote:There are many distorted teachings in Torah which Moses did not say or practice; but Judaism and Jews believe that he taught and practice them.

Agreed. The first being that there is a creator god. (Especially as the texts themselves refer to a pantheon of gods ruled by the god El.) Of course this is not so much "taught" as presented as assumed fact.
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paarsurrey wrote:

BlackBart wrote:And if he is neither physical nor spiritual, how can he interact with matter in order to communicate these teachings?

Like me and you communicate with one another with words, sentences, images, figures etc; so could He- the Creator God, at His discretion.

Which "you and I" do due to being physical. Try again (or just admit that you have no idea what you are talking about.)

For example my son has a tracheostomy, which means his vocal cords are essentially bypassed in his airway, and that simple physical impairment (or lack of use) means that he has no voice. If the lack of just that amount of physicality has that result, how much the worse for this god you claim exists, with none at all?!

I know I know; basically your answer boils down to "He's MAGIC!!" Although you may prefer some other equally meaningless term.
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paarsurrey wrote:Like Moses ordered killing of "three and twenty thousand men" of Jews; this seems the doing of the scribes not of Moses.

Chapter 32:26-28

[26] Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: [27] And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. [28] And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/02032.htm

And why do you find this any less plausible than:

Book Of Genesis Chapter 1: 1-5

[1] In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. [2] And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made. [4] And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. [5] And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.

I know I don't.

And for that matter; if you are convinced that the texts have been distorted to contain untruthful teachings, why do you believe any of it?