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#1  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 17, 2022 6:50 pm

SICVT OMNIVM SCIENTARVM REGINA MATHEMATICA ITA OMNIVM LINGVARVM REGINA LATINA.

Galia est omnis divisa in partes tres... :grin:
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#2  Postby Bestiola » Mar 17, 2022 7:42 pm

ROFL Caesar would be so proud :mrgreen:
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#3  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 17, 2022 7:59 pm

O tempora, o mores! :grin:
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#4  Postby Fredericus » Mar 18, 2022 8:31 am

Caesar might be proud of you, but going by your signature I'm surprised you didn't pick Ovid. :smile:

Siquis in hoc artem populo non novit amandi,
     Hoc legat et lecto carmine doctus amet.
Arte citae veloque rates remoque moventur,
     Arte leves currus: arte regendus amor.
Curribus Automedon lentisque erat aptus habenis,               5
     Tiphys in Haemonia puppe magister erat:
Me Venus artificem tenero praefecit Amori;
     Tiphys et Automedon dicar Amoris ego.
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#5  Postby Fredericus » Mar 18, 2022 12:59 pm

o - c. sativa! intellego!
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#6  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 19, 2022 12:37 am

Fredericus wrote:Caesar might be proud of you, but going by your signature I'm surprised you didn't pick Ovid. :smile:

Siquis in hoc artem populo non novit amandi,
     Hoc legat et lecto carmine doctus amet.
Arte citae veloque rates remoque moventur,
     Arte leves currus: arte regendus amor.
Curribus Automedon lentisque erat aptus habenis,               5
     Tiphys in Haemonia puppe magister erat:
Me Venus artificem tenero praefecit Amori;
     Tiphys et Automedon dicar Amoris ego.

LOL :grin: that would be way to long and spacious for a signature.
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#7  Postby Fredericus » Mar 19, 2022 11:15 am

salve care amice Hadriane - Recently I came across this in a grammar: "nolam" not found in surviving classical literature"".

So how would a classicist rephrase this?

uxorem regis fortis amare nolam.
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#8  Postby Fredericus » Mar 19, 2022 11:16 am

Who is your new avatar?
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#9  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 19, 2022 11:41 am

Fredericus wrote:Who is your new avatar?

Lucius Annaeus Seneca (minor)
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#10  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 19, 2022 11:48 am

Fredericus wrote:salve care amice Hadriane - Recently I came across this in a grammar: "nolam" not found in surviving classical literature"".

So how would a classicist rephrase this?

uxorem regis fortis amare nolam.

nolo is standard contraction of non +vis (non volo)
I am not sure what you are asking, but uxorem regis fortis amare nolam seems to me like I shall [refuse/be unwilling] to love the wife of brave king.
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#11  Postby Fredericus » Mar 19, 2022 1:43 pm

Apparently first person future nolam has not been come across in surviving classical literature, and I was wondering what the old Romans might have said instead of nolam. However, nolam seems to be the accepted form for I shall/will refuse etc. AFAIK nobody has come up with anything else. Enjoy your trip to The Netherlands.

Gosh - wouldn't have recognised seneca from that avatar.
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#12  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 19, 2022 4:21 pm

Fredericus wrote:Apparently first person future nolam has not been come across in surviving classical literature, and I was wondering what the old Romans might have said instead of nolam. However, nolam seems to be the accepted form for I shall/will refuse etc. AFAIK nobody has come up with anything else. Enjoy your trip to The Netherlands.

Gosh - wouldn't have recognised seneca from that avatar.


in triclinio coeam, in cubiculo nolam ― I meet (you) at the table but I won’t at the dormitory - apparently it can also refer to "I won't" i.e. I will not love the wife of the brave king.

something else than nolam :think: it all depends on the whole sentence and context;
do you have the english original sentence; this way I could think of something.
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#13  Postby Fredericus » Mar 19, 2022 5:53 pm

There's no English sentence. Anyway, I think it all hinges on the fact that there is "no surviving" classical literature, i.e. we won't know until such literature/evidence comes to light one day which confirms that the old Romans used or didn't use "nolam". Until I read about "no surviving" literature it never occurred to me that "nolam" might be non-classical.
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#14  Postby Bestiola » Mar 19, 2022 6:45 pm

Fredericus wrote:There's no English sentence. Anyway, I think it all hinges on the fact that there is "no surviving" classical literature, i.e. we won't know until such literature/evidence comes to light one day which confirms that the old Romans used or didn't use "nolam". Until I read about "no surviving" literature it never occurred to me that "nolam" might be non-classical.

Quintilian has it in Institutio Oratoria when he's quoting "et oratores nonnumquam, ut Caelius ‘quadrantariam Clytaemestram’ et ‘in triclinio Coam, in cubiculo nolam’. Liber VIII, Caput VI, 52
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#15  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 19, 2022 7:06 pm

Fredericus wrote:Apparently first person future nolam has not been come across in surviving classical literature, and I was wondering what the old Romans might have said instead of nolam.

Amice, perhaps haud velim - I would hardly wish to
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#16  Postby Bestiola » Mar 19, 2022 7:10 pm

Bestiola wrote:
Fredericus wrote:There's no English sentence. Anyway, I think it all hinges on the fact that there is "no surviving" classical literature, i.e. we won't know until such literature/evidence comes to light one day which confirms that the old Romans used or didn't use "nolam". Until I read about "no surviving" literature it never occurred to me that "nolam" might be non-classical.

Quintilian has it in Institutio Oratoria when he's quoting "et oratores nonnumquam, ut Caelius ‘quadrantariam Clytaemestram’ et ‘in triclinio Coam, in cubiculo nolam’. Liber VIII, Caput VI, 52


But it should be noted it's a joke, a play on words about Clodia - Quintilian is quoting Caelius how he described Clodia as willing in the dining room but frigid in the bedroom.
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#17  Postby Fredericus » Mar 19, 2022 9:47 pm

Bestiola wrote:
Bestiola wrote:
Fredericus wrote:There's no English sentence. Anyway, I think it all hinges on the fact that there is "no surviving" classical literature, i.e. we won't know until such literature/evidence comes to light one day which confirms that the old Romans used or didn't use "nolam". Until I read about "no surviving" literature it never occurred to me that "nolam" might be non-classical.

Quintilian has it in Institutio Oratoria when he's quoting "et oratores nonnumquam, ut Caelius ‘quadrantariam Clytaemestram’ et ‘in triclinio Coam, in cubiculo nolam’. Liber VIII, Caput VI, 52


But it should be noted it's a joke, a play on words about Clodia - Quintilian is quoting Caelius how he described Clodia as willing in the dining room but frigid in the bedroom.


Yes, clever play on words! Thanks!
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#18  Postby Bestiola » Mar 20, 2022 8:41 am

Fredericus wrote:
Bestiola wrote:
Bestiola wrote:
Fredericus wrote:There's no English sentence. Anyway, I think it all hinges on the fact that there is "no surviving" classical literature, i.e. we won't know until such literature/evidence comes to light one day which confirms that the old Romans used or didn't use "nolam". Until I read about "no surviving" literature it never occurred to me that "nolam" might be non-classical.

Quintilian has it in Institutio Oratoria when he's quoting "et oratores nonnumquam, ut Caelius ‘quadrantariam Clytaemestram’ et ‘in triclinio Coam, in cubiculo nolam’. Liber VIII, Caput VI, 52


But it should be noted it's a joke, a play on words about Clodia - Quintilian is quoting Caelius how he described Clodia as willing in the dining room but frigid in the bedroom.


Yes, clever play on words! Thanks!


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#19  Postby Marcus Hadrianus » Mar 30, 2022 3:48 pm

Yup, seems legit :smoke:
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#20  Postby Evolving » Mar 30, 2022 3:49 pm

Speako Latino, ergo clevero
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