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Mr.Samsa wrote:Interesting idea, DanDare - I'm not sure why you haven't received any feedback yet. Do you have any idea of how successful the authors of the short stories have been so far, or is it still a very new site that's trying to take off? If so, then how successful are you hoping for it to be - i.e. do you think the writers will be able to make any real money from contributing or will it likely only be a bit of spare change and a bit of fun?
Mr.Samsa wrote:I think a big problem will be the fact that there are blogs and websites dedicated to similar goals, and these are free, for example: Science 2.0. So the main hurdle is differentiating yourself from these potential competitors and convincing people to use your service - the easiest way to do this is to guarantee quality. If the material presented on the website is no better than some of the blogs at Science 2.0, then that will be a problem. Instead, you'd need to market yourself as a cheaper, more accessible version of "Science" or "American Scientist". Maybe it would be useful to look at how similar ventures have successfully managed to sell something that people will often attempt to get for free - like iTunes.
Mr.Samsa wrote:As for a name, I'm not sure but I'd go for something pretty simple which is likely to get hit by google searches on related topics, so rather than something wacky like "Infophenomotamagoria!", you might be better off going for "Hypothesis" or even something a bit more specific like "Statistical Significance" or whatever. One of the best ways to decide is to figure out exactly what kind of online magazine you want to set up, and the name will come easier - for example, are you looking for opinion pieces on science? Or reviews of recent articles? Or both?
Mr.Samsa wrote:For marketing, you could try to pair up with science fora, and ask them to link to your site if you link back to them. Perhaps you could even try to create your science magazine as an extension of RatSkep, and when LIFE finishes the Front Page that he's working on, the science magazine could be a prominent link or feature of the front page - this way, you're practically guaranteed 3000+ people will see the work inside it and that'll give you a decent kick start (and, in reverse, if the magazine is successfully then it will help the popularity of RatSkep).
Mr.Samsa wrote:I also thought that, if the magazine took off, you could offer your writers a choice between payment styles: 1) they could accept the royalty policy that you've suggested and essentially work on commission, or 2) you could offer them a set fee (like, I don't know $50? Whatever seems reasonable). Obviously this is probably unworkable from the start (as it would require you paying out of your own pocket), but assuming that the magazine starts making some money, offering the authors a set fee like this will mean that some people will take the guaranteed money, leaving any profits from their article going straight to the magazine. Some authors probably wouldn't take this approach, but some would - I know I would, I'd rather have a set price, rather than hoping enough people read my article to make that week of research worthwhile or whatever.
Mr.Samsa wrote:A good way to market this would be to post on student job search sites, or student magazines, looking for science writers (and you could specify level of qualification: bachelors, masters, doctorate, etc), but I know that most people I went to uni with would love a job like this - flexible hours, and basically getting paid doing what you spend all year doing anyway. The advantage of this is that, presumably, some knowledge of the magazine will spread throughout the student body and hopefully increase the readership and profits.
Mr.Samsa wrote:With all that said, if you thought it was going to be a serious venture and there was a chance of making some realistic money from it (i.e. more than just $10 a week), then I'd probably be interested in submitting articles. If there was little chance of making any decent amounts of money, then I'd still be willing to submit articles but it just depends on whether I can spare the time or not.





DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:Interesting idea, DanDare - I'm not sure why you haven't received any feedback yet. Do you have any idea of how successful the authors of the short stories have been so far, or is it still a very new site that's trying to take off? If so, then how successful are you hoping for it to be - i.e. do you think the writers will be able to make any real money from contributing or will it likely only be a bit of spare change and a bit of fun?
We have only really been running for a couple of months and don't yet have a large presence. There are about 200 readers and some authors have received small payments.
DanDare wrote:
Yep. Also, having some unique content. In the case of stories that is pretty easy. For science its going to be the quality with which different audiences are addressed I believe. Also the ability to start reading at a simple level and learn and dig deeper as time goes by.
As for free stuff there are signs across the web that people are backing away from doing full time, high quality free and looking for an economical way to sustain their contributions.
DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:As for a name, I'm not sure but I'd go for something pretty simple which is likely to get hit by google searches on related topics, so rather than something wacky like "Infophenomotamagoria!", you might be better off going for "Hypothesis" or even something a bit more specific like "Statistical Significance" or whatever. One of the best ways to decide is to figure out exactly what kind of online magazine you want to set up, and the name will come easier - for example, are you looking for opinion pieces on science? Or reviews of recent articles? Or both?
Excellent. I'm hoping to have opinion pieces and reviews both. Also tutorial material and links to the best of the web (I don't want to constrain people to the commercial site, instead have its quality high enough to keep them here voluntarily). Perhaps some political discussions about things like science funding around the world, science in education and so on.
Some other words that might appear in the name: "science" "method" "theory" "physics" "chemistry" "biology" "genius".
DanDare wrote:Yes, I would like to offer the set fee for beginner authors. If, after a couple of those, they see the sales go up then I would suggest going for royalties for future pieces. And yes, I couldn't afford it from the start.
One point is that I want to structure this as a for profit enterprise because I think that makes it both sustainable long term and also looks professional to the readers. If the magazine was to make any reasonable income while still paying the bulk to staff and writers then the money should go toward promoting science and funding research.
DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:A good way to market this would be to post on student job search sites, or student magazines, looking for science writers (and you could specify level of qualification: bachelors, masters, doctorate, etc), but I know that most people I went to uni with would love a job like this - flexible hours, and basically getting paid doing what you spend all year doing anyway. The advantage of this is that, presumably, some knowledge of the magazine will spread throughout the student body and hopefully increase the readership and profits.
As it gets started would you be interested taking that task on?
DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:With all that said, if you thought it was going to be a serious venture and there was a chance of making some realistic money from it (i.e. more than just $10 a week), then I'd probably be interested in submitting articles. If there was little chance of making any decent amounts of money, then I'd still be willing to submit articles but it just depends on whether I can spare the time or not.
I envisage eventually having a readership of 10k+ readers paying about 5 to 50 cents an article, depending on its length. It could take over a year to build up that kind of readership though.

Mr.Samsa wrote:DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:Interesting idea, DanDare - I'm not sure why you haven't received any feedback yet. Do you have any idea of how successful the authors of the short stories have been so far, or is it still a very new site that's trying to take off? If so, then how successful are you hoping for it to be - i.e. do you think the writers will be able to make any real money from contributing or will it likely only be a bit of spare change and a bit of fun?
We have only really been running for a couple of months and don't yet have a large presence. There are about 200 readers and some authors have received small payments.
That's what I figured - what are your plans for the magazine though? As in, how much would you expect a writer to make? I mean, obviously you'd hope for it to be an international hit and everyone involved will become millionaires, but realistically, what would be your projection be for 6 months, 12 months, 24 months, etc?DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:With all that said, if you thought it was going to be a serious venture and there was a chance of making some realistic money from it (i.e. more than just $10 a week), then I'd probably be interested in submitting articles. If there was little chance of making any decent amounts of money, then I'd still be willing to submit articles but it just depends on whether I can spare the time or not.
I envisage eventually having a readership of 10k+ readers paying about 5 to 50 cents an article, depending on its length. It could take over a year to build up that kind of readership though.
Indeed - but market it well enough and you could certainly take a reasonable crack at reaching those numbers within the first year. By hitting the big websites, like RatSkep, RD.net, ScienceForums and JREF, you could easily scrounge up a few thousand readers.

Mr.Samsa wrote:DanDare wrote:Mr.Samsa wrote:A good way to market this would be to post on student job search sites, or student magazines, looking for science writers (and you could specify level of qualification: bachelors, masters, doctorate, etc), but I know that most people I went to uni with would love a job like this - flexible hours, and basically getting paid doing what you spend all year doing anyway. The advantage of this is that, presumably, some knowledge of the magazine will spread throughout the student body and hopefully increase the readership and profits.
As it gets started would you be interested taking that task on?
What task would that be? Being an author - definitely. Getting the word out to places - it depends on available time and what exactly you wanted.
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DanDare wrote:Perusing existing online offerings. Here is a quick list:
http://www.publish.csiro.au/
http://www.nature.com/
http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/index.html
http://www.australasianscience.com.au/
http://www.sciencemag.org/
http://www.newscientist.com/
http://www.cell.com/
http://www.thesciencejournal.com/
http://www.livescience.com/
Several have physical counterparts and you can only read the articles with a yearly subscription. I have a lot to say about why the subscription method is unsatisfactory. I'm writing an article about it and will provide a link when its done.
The free stuff seems to generate articles of about 500 words average. That's just not long enough to really get into any topic, just a heads up intro really. Also there are pop sites like http://www.space.com and they have similarly small articles. For our mag I would expect to compile such short "news" items into a single "Monthly Update" or some such. Perhaps with links to more detailed articles. Interestingly a bit of "time travel" is possible here since the detailed articles may get published later and the links added back in the older collection.



DanDare wrote: If the magazine was to make any reasonable income while still paying the bulk to staff and writers then the money should go toward promoting science and funding research.
We could just wing it early on, allow the contributors to suggest how they want the sales divvied up and refine the process over time.

DanDare wrote:
So, for those who are interested here are some things that need to be discussed.
A name.
Publishing cycle. Do we just publish stuff as it comes up or do we have a schedule, such as a "Day in the life of a scientist" article bimonthly and a feature science article every month and a "science snippets" article once a week etc.
Advertising on site, none? Hand crafted? Google ads? If there is advertising income who does it go to? Advertising on all pages or some?
Another thing to consider is that I am designing, and will eventually implement a "certification" system so that articles may be badged with a verified, non-counterfeittable, icon. So a "heart foundation tick" or an "IEEE standard" badge or, more to the point, an "Online Academy of Science" badge. I need input not on the technology, that's actually easy, but on the rules and management processes. How does an article author apply for a certification? Who do they apply to? Who is authorised to give the badge to the article? Is there a commercial transaction involved?


GenesForLife wrote:I would be interested in writing for this magazine. Some of my work is on this blog http://exploreable.wordpress.com (My username is Exploreable)


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