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Chiropractors vs Doctors

#1  Postby EricBoss » Oct 26, 2019 6:11 pm

I'm going to get straight to the point on this one . . .

Are chiropractors "real" doctors?

I've been somewhat pushing my son to explore the medical field for a while and he comes back with a desire to be a chiropractor.

I was like "What made you so interested in becoming one?". He goes "Just look at these Youtube videos".

Lo and behold, it's basically a bunch of models (Or Instagram models according to him) that these chiropractors are working on, getting millions of views (I'm sure it gets them patients as well) but this is what inspired him :)

I had a little bit of a chuckle but then I realized something, the kid actually thinks chiropractors are real doctors?

Now no offense to anyone but to be a dentist even, you need to go to credited schools, do years of training and schooling and then maybe, you have a chance of becoming a dentist or any proper doctor for that matter.

I'm an electrician by trade so if I offended anyone, I'm sorry.

Things might be different now so I'm not sure if becoming a chiropractor is considered being a real medical doctor or not.

Do they have to go through rigorous training as well?
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Re: Chiropractors vs Doctors

#2  Postby laklak » Oct 26, 2019 6:20 pm

You can make a shitload of money as one, so there's that.
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#3  Postby Svartalf » Oct 26, 2019 6:24 pm

You can make a shitload of money as a lawyer, or bankrupting casinos in Atlantic city... Chiropractors are not real doctors anymore than acupuncturists are, though likely more so than homeopaths.
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#4  Postby zulumoose » Oct 26, 2019 6:41 pm

Have a look at the youtube series on alternate medicine types on the James Randi channel, a good starting point for a skeptical look at quackery. There is one on chiropractic that seems quite fair, and includes background.

I heard a very interesting radio interview on chiropractic a long time ago. Basically the chiropractor was lamenting the fact that there has not been a splt in chiropractic to separate the mumbo jumbo quacks from the evidence based practitioners. He compared it with the very clear split between reflexology and podiatry. There are good chiropractors, but there is no system for separating them from the subluxation/chi flow cure-all bullshit artists who will discourage all other medicine.
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Re: Chiropractors vs Doctors

#5  Postby EricBoss » Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm

Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah I'm sure this stuff helps people (Chiropractor / Spiritual Medicine, etc) but for me, like @zulumoose pointed out, I would seek a reflexology practitioner or a podiatry doctor than a chiro. In fact, I would be sharing these two topics with my kid now so thanks for that.
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#6  Postby The_Metatron » Oct 27, 2019 4:37 pm

EricBoss wrote:Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah I'm sure this stuff helps people (Chiropractor / Spiritual Medicine, etc) but for me, like @zulumoose pointed out, I would seek a reflexology practitioner or a podiatry doctor than a chiro. In fact, I would be sharing these two topics with my kid now so thanks for that.

That’s not at all what zulumoose meant, I think.

Podiatry is evidence based. Reflexology is not. He wasn’t describing a choice between chiropractic or podiatry/reflexology.

I have no knowledge of chiropractors who are evidence based, though. If I were to need such medical attention, I would instead seek a referral from my family doctor to a specialist or to an evidence based physical therapist.
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Re: Chiropractors vs Doctors

#7  Postby Durro » Oct 31, 2019 6:58 am

Chiropractors are to medical doctors what Astrologers are to Astrophysicists... they loosely overlap in their areas of interest, but one is a scientifically trained practitioner while the other is generally a woo-peddling charlatan - I'll let you decide which is which. Unfortunately, many lay people can't tell the difference.

In my experience working in medicine, Chiropractors frequently "treat" people on the false premise that spines sublux in and out of alignment spontaneously and can be relocated with chiropractic manipulation, thus treating a wide array of maladies ranging from back pain and impotence, to asthma and pneumonia, to diabetes and tertiary fucking syphilis or something like that.

The subluxing spine is nonsense, unless we're talking about highly degenerative articular facet joints or someone with a structural spondylolisthesis. The alleged treatment of these maladies based on this nonsense is also ridiculous. The only benefit Chiropractors generally offer is with gentle stretching and massage to alleviate some forms of pain or restricted movement. The cracking of the facet joints is like cracking your hand knuckles...it makes an impressive sound but doesn't really offer much therapeutic value.

However, I have scanned or x-rayed hundreds of people who have suffered injury at the hands of Chiropractors, including people who have sustained permanent nerve damage, disc prolapse, and chronic pain.

I'd advise against your son pursuing a career in pseudoscience and nonsense.
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Re: Chiropractors vs Doctors

#8  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 31, 2019 8:16 am

Sorry to derail a bit but... fucking hell! Durro mate, how the hell are you?

On topic, I concur: chiropractic is 99% woo. It's an alternative TO medicine. It's an idiot tax.
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#9  Postby Evolving » Oct 31, 2019 12:12 pm

Durro!

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#10  Postby Evolving » Oct 31, 2019 12:18 pm

I was wondering what TO medicine stood for.

Got it now.
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#11  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 31, 2019 1:17 pm

C.A.M.

Completely Antithetical (to) Medicine.
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#12  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 06, 2019 9:29 am

Evolving wrote:I was wondering what TO medicine stood for.

Got it now.

I don't.
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#13  Postby Evolving » Nov 06, 2019 1:01 pm

It’s just the normal word „to“. The capitals were for emphasis.
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#14  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 06, 2019 1:02 pm

Evolving wrote:It’s just the normal word „to“. The capitals were for emphasis.

:oops: :cheers:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#15  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 06, 2019 1:41 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Evolving wrote:I was wondering what TO medicine stood for.

Got it now.

I don't.



I meant, it's not 'alternative medicine', it's an alternative to medicine, i.e. it's not medicine.
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Re: Chiropractors vs Doctors

#16  Postby Briton » Nov 06, 2019 3:21 pm

From Wiki:

D. D. Palmer founded chiropractic in the 1890s, after saying he received it from "the other world"; Palmer maintained that the tenets of chiropractic were passed along to him by a doctor who had died 50 years previously.

Checkmate sceptics.
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#17  Postby Fallible » Nov 06, 2019 3:49 pm

Oh, Lordy... :rofl:
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#18  Postby Arcanyn » Nov 06, 2019 5:05 pm

Briton wrote:From Wiki:

D. D. Palmer founded chiropractic in the 1890s, after saying he received it from "the other world"; Palmer maintained that the tenets of chiropractic were passed along to him by a doctor who had died 50 years previously.

Checkmate sceptics.


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#19  Postby Papa Smurf » Nov 07, 2019 10:10 am

A dead guy would know everything there is to know about bones and joints so it makes sense.
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#20  Postby Arcanyn » Nov 07, 2019 1:20 pm

If he's a skeleton, zombie or lich, sure. But what if he's an incorporeal undead? Spectres don't need to know much about spines to get by.
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