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Decentralised Youtube

#1  Postby VazScep » Nov 19, 2017 9:23 pm

https://about.d.tube/

There are some threads where I have gushed about a technology called IPFS. It's a big filesystem (what you normally call your hard-drive) which spans the internet and is accessed peer-to-peer over a bittorrent like protocol. It also uses content based addressing, which is what magnet links are if you still torrent.

This is the way we should be doing high bandwidth content on the internet. http://www.youtube.com is the current norm, but it's a parasite that takes user generated content and sells advertising on it, and it gets away with this evil shit not because Google are any good at this stuff, but because the 1990s protocol can't handle this stuff, and bad guys like Google have no interest in fixing the situation.

This is the better solution. If any of your folk ever put stuff up on youtube, please consider putting it up on d.tube also.
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#2  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 19, 2017 9:36 pm

As Hunter Thompson said, "Kill the body, and the head will die." Now I'm starting to wonder what he meant by that. Maybe it's just nonsense. Is it an isomorphism?
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#3  Postby VazScep » Nov 19, 2017 9:42 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:As Hunter Thompson said, "Kill the body, and the head will die." Now I'm starting to wonder what he meant by that. Maybe it's just nonsense. Is it an isomorphism?
I take my pessimism seriously. I'll advocate for IPFS on the firm hope that it'll fail, like all human endeavours, so that I can one day look back and laugh at the nonsense of human ambition.

This is how I think about all projects, and why I suspect I'll never make any money. But please, even if just for a laugh, put shit on IPFS. Put all your shit on IPFS. It'll likely fail, but I'll find it hilarious either way.

(seriously: IPFS is really good tech. It's some of the most interesting tech currently going. Forget iphone X or whatever shit Apple are talking about. Forget whatever shit Google are talking about. Those twats only care about marketing. IPFS is a serious contender for what the web should be, and the web is what matters)
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#4  Postby Macdoc » Nov 19, 2017 11:25 pm

Apple is supporting it apparently - no comment further than that as I don't understand the implications.

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/webrtc-on-saf ... sierra/619
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#5  Postby scott1328 » Nov 19, 2017 11:32 pm

I don’t trust altruists
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 19, 2017 11:41 pm

scott1328 wrote:I don’t trust altruists


There's a thread on empathy spectrum...no such thing as a 100% altruist IMO; and surely you agree psychopathy is wrong scott.
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#7  Postby scott1328 » Nov 19, 2017 11:55 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
scott1328 wrote:I don’t trust altruists


There's a thread on empathy spectrum...no such thing as a 100% altruist IMO; and surely you agree psychopathy is wrong scott.

My comment was directed to those hating on Google and Apple for making money.
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#8  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 19, 2017 11:59 pm

You can't have two lunches...what do they need 1 billion dolla for? What do you need two houses for? I just want community and a feeling that most people are reasonably contented....it's not really like that round my ends atm tho I'm sorry to report.
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#9  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 20, 2017 12:15 am

scott1328 wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:
scott1328 wrote:I don’t trust altruists


There's a thread on empathy spectrum...no such thing as a 100% altruist IMO; and surely you agree psychopathy is wrong scott.

My comment was directed to those hating on Google and Apple for making money.


They weren't player hating on them/hating on them - they were objecting to their psychopathic superficial damaging narcissistic materialism.
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#10  Postby scott1328 » Nov 20, 2017 12:17 am

Yes my 401k benefits nicely from their greed
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#11  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 20, 2017 12:20 am

No, sorry, can't parse that comment....but I'll pm you my account details if you feel like being altruistic lol
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#12  Postby VazScep » Nov 20, 2017 12:25 pm

Macdoc wrote:Apple is supporting it apparently - no comment further than that as I don't understand the implications.

https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/webrtc-on-saf ... sierra/619
Cheers. I believe WebRTC helps solve an obvious difficulty with stuff like IPFS, that being that http, which is what computers talk on the web, isn't peer-to-peer in any sense.

Right now, if you go to stuff like dtube, you're still likely getting everything over a single server, which defeats the point. There's a firefox plugin called IPFS-companion, which will interpret the "ipfs:" in a URL and automatically fetch the data using a locally running program that is connected to IPFS, but that's already too much work for the overwhelming majority of users.
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#13  Postby VazScep » Nov 20, 2017 12:32 pm

scott1328 wrote:I don’t trust altruists
Who does? I take the goals of most free software advocates to be pragmatic and selfish. I don't think Linux and GNU, software used liberally by Google, was built on altruism. Many of the hackers involved are just people who didn't trust big tech companies to write software they like.
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#14  Postby Tracer Tong » Nov 23, 2017 1:26 pm

VazScep wrote:

This is the way we should be doing high bandwidth content on the internet. http://www.youtube.com is the current norm, but it's a parasite that takes user generated content and sells advertising on it, and it gets away with this evil shit not because Google are any good at this stuff, but because the 1990s protocol can't handle this stuff, and bad guys like Google have no interest in fixing the situation.


These seem like rather exaggerated terms in which to describe the selling of advertising space.
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#15  Postby VazScep » Nov 24, 2017 7:36 am

Tracer Tong wrote:
VazScep wrote:

This is the way we should be doing high bandwidth content on the internet. http://www.youtube.com is the current norm, but it's a parasite that takes user generated content and sells advertising on it, and it gets away with this evil shit not because Google are any good at this stuff, but because the 1990s protocol can't handle this stuff, and bad guys like Google have no interest in fixing the situation.


These seem like rather exaggerated terms in which to describe the selling of advertising space.
I'm not much happy about the repetition of "this stuff", but I don't see any exaggeration. What you've spotted is a hostile tone towards Google and advertising, which pretty well reflects my actual sentiments towards Google and advertising.

That said, I'd have rather have kept those sentiments out of the thread and just tried to talk about IPFS without getting carried away. Bad etiquette on my part.
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#16  Postby Tracer Tong » Nov 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Alright, then. What’s evil about selling advertising on user generated content?
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#17  Postby VazScep » Nov 24, 2017 3:51 pm

Tracer Tong wrote:Alright, then. What’s evil about selling advertising on user generated content?
I'm not really interested in having that discussion.
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#18  Postby tuco » Nov 26, 2017 9:09 pm

Where are the altruists? I do not see any. Rhetorical, don't reply.

This is linked youtube channel from OP link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDQ3c ... 14Zd1x6mTQ

A brand is what I want to establish. Oh wait, I have one, here anyways.

To publish content one needs to register a domain? If so, good luck with becoming a trend. Also, if to publish content one needs to store it on own computer or someone else has to store it on theirs, be it in fragments, good luck with becoming a trend.

Evil Google for not being an altruist. There is lots of evil in this world, innit.
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