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#1  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 27, 2019 8:54 am

My trusty laptop is due a renewal so I had a quick look online and I was a bit dismayed to find that I'm having to make all of the same compromises as 5 years ago to find something in my budget. 16gb or RAM is still considered a specialist feature. Anything more than a piddly 128gb SSD means you're looking at well over a grand. Are we basically at a stage now where the size means that not much more progress is possible? I read an article suggesting that the endless search for thinness has ruined progress in all of the other areas. Or am I just looking too much at the base specs and actually a laptop with 8gb of RAM and an i5 processor now is likely to outperform a 16gb i7 from 5 years ago?

Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for a laptop under £800 let me know. I mainly use it for arsing about online but I like to do a bit of photo and video editing, and I still have a few games on my steam account.
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Re: New laptop

#2  Postby Hermit » Mar 27, 2019 9:20 am

One of my joys of buying a computer has been that every time I buy a new one I get more for less. This has been the case since about 1989 when I bought an 80286 driven desktop with 1MB of RAM and a 70MB RLL HD for AU$2,700. The OS was MSDOS 3.3. There was no mouse, no sound system and no CD drive.

I won't bore you how things kept getting cheaper and better year after year. Suffice to say that cryptocurrency mining has put a stop to the trend. It has caused a surge in the demand for microchips and the resultant price increase has worked its way through all components that require chips.

I suggest you hang in there with your current lappy for as long as you can. Chip production plants are expanding to meet the increased demand while an increasing number of crypto miners leave the field, discouraged by diminishing returns. I for one make do with what I have (2 desktops and 1 laptop) for at least another year. My guess is that prices will not only have dropped to saner levels, but the steady and continuous trend for ever cheaper components will resume on a more or less continuous basis.
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Re: New laptop

#3  Postby Ironclad » Mar 27, 2019 9:34 am

If you are mostly just surfing, surely anything will suffice. If you have ssd you might be fine with a middling processor, mine works well.
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#4  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 27, 2019 9:49 am

I went round old fashioned things called shops. I picked up a €2500 for €1100. A great gaming machine. It is a year old now but still handles anything I want it to do. The bargains are still out there.
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#5  Postby Macdoc » Mar 27, 2019 10:12 am

Buy what you need behind the market and flip it/trade before it loses value. Of course that applies to Macs...PCs don't have residual value :roll:

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Screens are getting amazing, 500 nits on a laptop with Retina resolution. Drive speeds are insane 2.6 Gps each way lets you get away with less RAM and 3 lb with a Quad i7 ....first time I don't miss my 15".....and physically smaller. 8 gig 1 TB NVMe

Watch the design film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsyroZyCt_0

USB-c Thunderbolt 3 a bit of a pain with old peripherals - Apple chasing uber thin has caused some issues.

Apple's introduction of it's own ARM processors to get it out of Intels clutches will be welcome.
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#6  Postby Svartalf » Mar 27, 2019 10:13 am

never had a laptop, can't stand the too small keyboard and trackball system. I make do with not having my compy with me when going out of home.
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#7  Postby Ironclad » Mar 27, 2019 10:17 am

At work we have small tablets that plug into large screens. Full sized keyboards and mouse. It's a fair compromise between slower processing power and real estate, just.
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#8  Postby zulumoose » Mar 27, 2019 10:23 am

never had a laptop, can't stand the too small keyboard and trackball system. I make do with not having my compy with me when going out of home.


I've lugged one around every working day since about 1995, when windows was installed from two boxes of stiffy disks.
I think I have only had about 5 in total, and never broke one. I look after things and don't meddle. Current one must be around 10 years old, running windows 7.
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Re: New laptop

#9  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 27, 2019 10:39 am

Don't know about RAM prices, but SSD's are cheap as fuck now. Upgrading a PC I just got, 500 GB SSD for $80. A couple years ago I paid more than that for a 128 GB. You might be better off getting the cheapest and smallest drive from them that you can and swapping out your own.
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#10  Postby Macdoc » Mar 27, 2019 10:44 am

Yes SSDs are crazy cheap now and do wonders for older machines.

We've had a few clients try to sub in tablets with screens and KB mouse for a laptop and backed off.

The power in the latest iPad pro is astonishing and ideal for creative pros that want to sketch and it can run a 5k monitor as well but by the time you kit it out it's in laptop price range anyways and the OS has limits.
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Re: New laptop

#11  Postby felltoearth » Mar 27, 2019 10:56 am

I have an 8 year old Macbook Air that I can still run the latest version of Ableton Live on (though plug ins are limited) and runs the Adobe graphics suite (video might be too demanding). It has a 256GB SSD. I expect to get at least two more years If your use is as limited as you say, I would be looking at second hand and refurbished.
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#12  Postby Macdoc » Mar 27, 2019 11:14 am

Airs are pretty solid and easy to upgrade the drive. Very light too.
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Re: New laptop

#13  Postby tuco » Mar 27, 2019 12:19 pm

Quick search shows me you can get Dell with Intel Core i7-8550U (1.8GHz, TB 4GHz, HyperThreading); 16GB RAM DDR4; 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080 bodů); AMD Radeon 530 4GB GDDR5; 256GB SSD M.2 a 2TB HDD for around that price. HP for bit less. Apple is overpriced as we know.
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#14  Postby felltoearth » Mar 27, 2019 1:43 pm

tuco wrote:Quick search shows me you can get Dell with Intel Core i7-8550U (1.8GHz, TB 4GHz, HyperThreading); 16GB RAM DDR4; 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080 bodů); AMD Radeon 530 4GB GDDR5; 256GB SSD M.2 a 2TB HDD for around that price. HP for bit less. Apple is overpriced as we know.

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Re: New laptop

#15  Postby Macdoc » Mar 27, 2019 1:47 pm

PCs complete with POS operating system for free. :roll:

Intel Core i7-8550U (1.8GHz, TB 4GHz, HyperThreading); 16GB RAM DDR4; 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080 bodů); AMD Radeon 530 4GB GDDR5; 256GB SSD M.2 a 2TB HDD for around that price. HP for bit less. Apple is overpriced as we know.


Lets parse this

6lb - how svelte :what:

...laughable 256 SSD -

1920 screen how decade ago - with what 200 nits?

The computer equivalent of a Lada....same kinda resale too.

12692 Multi-Core Score Geekbench

That's about the same as a 2012 Macbook Pro. :whistle:

Current six core MacBook Pros are are 22,000 and my i7 Quad 13" is 17,000 with drive speeds of 2.6 gb read /write
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Re: New laptop

#16  Postby tuco » Mar 27, 2019 1:54 pm

Do I understand it correctly that I'm With Stupid is looking for a budget laptop and you are offering him Apple?
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Re: New laptop

#17  Postby Macdoc » Mar 27, 2019 2:05 pm

He's got $1500 Cdn to spend. That's lots for a decent machine.

Hell he's not far off a 2018 Air brand new

13″ Retina Air (2018) 1.6 i5 3.6 16GB 1600MHz 512GB Apple UHD Graphics 617 $1880 compare at $2239

What he should look at is a Late 2013-2015 13" Retina i5 dual with 8 512 in that price range.
Standard ports. 1680 Retina screen about 350 nits,. Drive is upgradeable
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We sell them $990 cdn for the 8/256 version. 3.5 lb
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Re: New laptop

#18  Postby tuco » Mar 27, 2019 2:12 pm

Alright. I am not here to debate how much image costs btw, I just did a quick search and stated a more or less accepted fact. I am not a salesman.

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edit: apparently, in my understanding respectivelly

Are we basically at a stage now where the size means that not much more progress is possible? I read an article suggesting that the endless search for thinness has ruined progress in all of the other areas.


I'm With Stupid does not value weight and size much. I find it strange but whatever. Maybe he likes to exercise or maybe he does not often carry it.
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#19  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 27, 2019 3:31 pm

Buying an Apple? Are you mad.
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Re: New laptop

#20  Postby Svartalf » Mar 27, 2019 3:33 pm

yea Pears are better in this season, and soon it will be Strawberry time.
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