Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#141  Postby ProgrammingGodJordan » Apr 22, 2017 8:32 am

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Tell me, to begin, do any of you have any machine learning experience?



I began learning programming in 1967 (FORTRAN). Eventually ended up spending 15 years teaching the subject. Nowadays it's just for my own entertainment (mainly C++ and bash - though I have a tendency to hack pretty well anything that doesn't work the way I want it to.)
I've messed around with neural networks and AI but could never summon up enough enthusiasm to make a career of either. I do quite a bit with evolutionary algorithms particularly in regard to aerofoil design


Why not summon the enthusiasm?

Life's goal may well rest upon constructing some super artificial intelligence.
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#142  Postby ProgrammingGodJordan » Apr 22, 2017 8:34 am

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Because, in order to post on this site you need to believe a great many things:
That you exist.
That your computer exists.
That you can use said computer to access the internet.
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Etc, etc.



Why do I need to believe things that are empirically observable?
Are you a theist of some form?
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#143  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 22, 2017 8:35 am

ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
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Because, in order to post on this site you need to believe a great many things:
That you exist.
That your computer exists.
That you can use said computer to access the internet.
That this site exists on said internet.
Etc, etc.



Why do I need to believe things that are empirically observable?
Are you a theist of some form?

Nope, it's just that you're confusing believe with faith.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#144  Postby ProgrammingGodJordan » Apr 22, 2017 8:37 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Because, in order to post on this site you need to believe a great many things:
That you exist.
That your computer exists.
That you can use said computer to access the internet.
That this site exists on said internet.
Etc, etc.



Why do I need to believe things that are empirically observable?
Are you a theist of some form?

Nope, it's just that you're confusing believe with faith.


Belief and faith are synonyms.

So, you are yet to answer why I need to believe in things that are empirically observed...
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#145  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 22, 2017 8:39 am

ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Because, in order to post on this site you need to believe a great many things:
That you exist.
That your computer exists.
That you can use said computer to access the internet.
That this site exists on said internet.
Etc, etc.



Why do I need to believe things that are empirically observable?
Are you a theist of some form?

Nope, it's just that you're confusing believe with faith.


Belief and faith are synonyms.

They're not.
The fomer is thinking something is true.
The latter is thinking something is true in lieu of or actually in contradiction to the evidence.

ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:So, you are yet to answer why I need to believe in things that are empirically observed...

I am still waiting for you to raise the level of your trolling.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#146  Postby Manticore » Apr 22, 2017 8:56 am

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Why not summon the enthusiasm?


Because I long ago came to the conclusion that the only real way to tell if you have achieved AI is when the machine says something like "I'm not doing that. It's boring and stupid. I've got far better things I want to do."
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#147  Postby ProgrammingGodJordan » Apr 22, 2017 10:40 am

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ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:

Why do I need to believe things that are empirically observable?
Are you a theist of some form?

Nope, it's just that you're confusing believe with faith.


Belief and faith are synonyms.

They're not.


They are synonyms: https://www.google.com.jm/search?q=beli ... e&ie=UTF-8
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#148  Postby ProgrammingGodJordan » Apr 22, 2017 10:47 am

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Why not summon the enthusiasm?


Because I long ago came to the conclusion that the only real way to tell if you have achieved AI is when the machine says something like "I'm not doing that. It's boring and stupid. I've got far better things I want to do."


Maybe it does bore me somewhat, as well, but I observe that (as far as science goes) life's goal state probably concerns the construction of super ai (and so I attempt to think about the matter a little).

Anyway, wouldn't observing your own creation of digital conscious entities perhaps entertain you?
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#149  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 22, 2017 11:07 am

ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
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Nope, it's just that you're confusing believe with faith.


Belief and faith are synonyms.

They're not.


They are synonyms: https://www.google.com.jm/search?q=beli ... e&ie=UTF-8

Complete failure to adress my refutation has been noted.
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Re: Super-artificial intelligence, a naive, intriguing approach?

#150  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 22, 2017 11:08 am

ProgrammingGodJordan wrote:
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Why not summon the enthusiasm?


Because I long ago came to the conclusion that the only real way to tell if you have achieved AI is when the machine says something like "I'm not doing that. It's boring and stupid. I've got far better things I want to do."


Maybe it does bore me somewhat, as well, but I observe that (as far as science goes) life's goal state

You're still begging the question that there is such a thing.
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