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Agrippina wrote:Friedman's book is so interesting, I'm going to take my time reading it, slowly, so my editing will have to wait for a while.
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willhud9 wrote:I have so far not heard a convincing argument aside from a skeptic argument with no facts just skepticism, about why Moses could not be the author of the Pentateuch?
logical bob wrote:willhud9 wrote:I have so far not heard a convincing argument aside from a skeptic argument with no facts just skepticism, about why Moses could not be the author of the Pentateuch?
I presume you'll want to place Moses around 1200 BC, or perhaps earlier. That was several hundred years before the Hebrew language existed. There's absolutely no way that Moses was the author of any Hebrew text. What language do you think he wrote the original in? Egyptian? Akkadian? Some earlier Canaanite language such as Ugaritic? Yet in studying the poetry of the Tanakh it's agreed that the Pentateuch is very alike in style to other Hebrew texts. If it's a translation that makes it a very free one.
Agrippina wrote:The earliest written texts, on animal skin were dated to around 600 BCE, it was written in Paleo-Hebrew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alphabet
And more from the dreaded Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
How did Moses do the writing? He was walking around the desert for the 40 years that he recognised himself to be a Hebrew.
Did he have a well-sprung wagon and a supply of vellum and ink and why weren't these valuable documents stored?
Also how did he write about his death and funeral, did he resurrect himself to do this?
Agrippina wrote:If it was carved in stone in hieroglyphs, where was it hidden?
Seriously, seriously? You believe that a bunch of superstitious people running away to their family's ancestral lands in the holy land that was promised to them would have allowed someone who didn't speak their language or understand their customs, or write their writing to lead them?
Agrippina wrote:No the writers of the Bible wrote all sorts of nonsense. I'm about to go to bed now, but do yourself a favour read Friedman's book about the Documentary Hypothesis. He does a very good job of explaining how the Pentateuch was written. Read it, then argue from an informed position.
willhud9 wrote:Being that the "Hebrew people" were Egyptian slaves, I doubt that they new how to read, speak, or write their original language, but rather understood Egyptian.
willhud9 wrote:Next, if it was in Egyptian which I do strongly believe it would have been hieroglyphics of some sort carved in stone.
logical bob wrote:willhud9 wrote:Being that the "Hebrew people" were Egyptian slaves, I doubt that they new how to read, speak, or write their original language, but rather understood Egyptian.
As I said, the Hebrew language simply didn't exist at that time. Whatever any of them spoke, it wasn't Hebrew.willhud9 wrote:Next, if it was in Egyptian which I do strongly believe it would have been hieroglyphics of some sort carved in stone.
To be fair, it wouldn't have to be on stone. Hieroglyphs were designed for carving but there was a rather beautiful script called hieratic which wrote the same language with pen and papyrus.
willhud9 wrote:Agrippina wrote:If it was carved in stone in hieroglyphs, where was it hidden?
Seriously, seriously? You believe that a bunch of superstitious people running away to their family's ancestral lands in the holy land that was promised to them would have allowed someone who didn't speak their language or understand their customs, or write their writing to lead them?
Being that the "Hebrew people" were Egyptian slaves, I doubt that they new how to read, speak, or write their original language, but rather understood Egyptian. Next, if you have read the discourse at the burning bush in Exodus which I know you have, Moses was nervous and told God that the people would never listen to him. The Bible does address this
Zwaarddijk wrote:Full agreement, it's just ... bad arguments in favor of something are still bad arguments, no matter what they are in favor of.
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