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Re: Allah

#21  Postby Sendraks » Apr 27, 2016 9:37 am

Allan moves in a mysterious way.
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Re: Allah

#22  Postby Blackadder » Apr 27, 2016 11:18 am

Sendraks wrote:Allan moves in a mysterious way.


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Re: Allah

#23  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 27, 2016 11:20 am

A Freudian slip? :naughty2:
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Re: Allah

#24  Postby Oeditor » Apr 27, 2016 1:24 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:It was cobbled together more than a hundred years after the life of so-called mo.
With possibly at least some of the text originating before Mo's time - the jury's still out.
Oh, and I'm not referring to Allah's alleged ghostly edition.
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#25  Postby Matthew Shute » Apr 27, 2016 2:56 pm

RightRingAgnostic wrote:Being an equal opportunity truth teller, I've decided to listen to what the Muslim clerics say about this "Allah" character. I'll be doing this for a little over a month. I already know the outcome, however, I still feel like it will give me a stronger argument against God.


If that's all you want, I can save you some time. You'll find the same basic contradictions in all three versions of Abraham's god.

He knows everything, including his own future actions, so presumably he couldn't change his mind on anything (he's constrained by doing what he already knew at the beginning of time he would do; any deviation would falsify his earlier knowledge). He's omnipotent, but we mere mammals can do something god can't; we're not constrained by only doing things we already know we're going to do; we can change our minds, surprise ourselves.

He's the most merciful, yet he'll throw you into the hell-fire for thought crimes - such as reasonably (given the lack of evidence) not believing in him.

Like the Bible, you'll find the Quran has plenty of contradictions. Some Islamic scholars have devised a system called abrogation whereby, for instance, later verses can trump earlier verses wherever there's a contradiction. A bit pointless when the deity himself is logically equivalent to a square circle. Whether abrogation means that god changes his mind (again, impossible if he's omniscient) or whether it means god is simultaneously a moral relativist (the rightness of his moral commands depends on situation, context) AND a fanatical moral absolutist... who can say?

It's nonsense, a complete mess, and (except from some comical moments such as Solomon conversing with talking ants) boring. To complicate matters, there are even "Satanic verses" (see Qur'an 22:52), which supposedly open up the possibility that Muhammad sometimes mistook Satanic suggestions for god's message, as given him by Gabriel. Yet, of course in the same citation (Qur'an 22:52) god makes this all come out right in the end.

So that's all right then.
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Re: Allah

#26  Postby crank » Apr 27, 2016 6:09 pm

That can't be right, Allah wrote it, created it?, but it's been around for all eternity. That's isn't something us mere mortals can comprehend, but don't worry, Allah comprehends everything, even the incomprehensible.
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#27  Postby Oeditor » May 23, 2016 10:20 am

crank wrote:That can't be right, Allah wrote it, created it?, but it's been around for all eternity. That's isn't something us mere mortals can comprehend, but don't worry, Allah comprehends everything, even the incomprehensible.
Just the same as Allah creating the world fully-formed, but one step back: Allah and his "preserved tablet" were created fully formed. Same old infinite regression as all religions.
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Re: Allah

#28  Postby Dark energy » Mar 22, 2017 1:46 am

RightRingAgnostic wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Why do you need a stronger argument against god? Why capitalise it btw.

Allah's a more evil version. I want to see how evil he can actually get

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How did you come to this conclusion? what do you think allah means?
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Re: Allah

#29  Postby zulumoose » Mar 22, 2017 9:09 am

Matthew Shute wrote:
He's the most merciful, yet he'll throw you into the hell-fire for thought crimes - such as reasonably (given the lack of evidence) not believing in him.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that there was no concept of hell in the Muslim religion, also that they have no problem with agnostic atheism, only with those who positively assert that there is no god, or (especially) those who have abandoned the faith.

While the death penalty for apostacy disgusts me I understand their justification for it, if a genuine believer found a convincing argument for leaving the faith, from their point of view it would jeopordise the souls of all the faithful who are exposed to it.
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Re: Allah

#30  Postby NineBerry » Mar 22, 2017 10:06 am

The Quran is full of references to Hell. There are detailed descriptions in the Quran how people are tortured in Hell.
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#31  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 22, 2017 11:04 am

Jahannam

Nice. :whistle:
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#32  Postby zulumoose » Mar 22, 2017 1:59 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Jahannam

Nice. :whistle:



I don't understand how anyone can read through those descriptions and think that this is anything but laughable mythology made up on the spot. Just the specifics and ridiculousness of the logistics, I mean really!

(The breadth of each of Hell's walls is equivalent to a distance covered by a walking journey of 40 years)

(Hell is perceived to be so deep that if a stone were thrown into it, it would fall for 70 years before reaching the bottom.)
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#33  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 22, 2017 2:06 pm

The same is true of reading past the first line of genesis.
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Re: Allah

#34  Postby Dark energy » Mar 22, 2017 2:12 pm

NineBerry wrote:The Quran is full of references to Hell. There are detailed descriptions in the Quran how people are tortured in Hell.


how does that make you feel as an atheist? :ask:
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#35  Postby Sendraks » Mar 22, 2017 2:25 pm

Dark energy wrote:how does that make you feel as an atheist? :ask:


The idea of using fear to control people should be abhorrent to any rational person, atheist or no.
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Re: Allah

#36  Postby zulumoose » Mar 22, 2017 2:27 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:The same is true of reading past the first line of genesis.


No argument there.

Dark energy wrote:
NineBerry wrote:The Quran is full of references to Hell. There are detailed descriptions in the Quran how people are tortured in Hell.


how does that make you feel as an atheist? :ask:


For me, it just illustrates clearly how laughable the idea of religion is. Whatever the religious like to tell themselves about how their beliefs are reality, the more you look at the assertions of their texts, the more difficult it becomes to accept that anyone really believes it.
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Re: Allah

#37  Postby Dark energy » Mar 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Sendraks wrote:
Dark energy wrote:how does that make you feel as an atheist? :ask:


The idea of using fear to control people should be abhorrent to any rational person, atheist or no.



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#38  Postby laklak » Mar 22, 2017 2:41 pm

Allah = Muslim god. Challah = Jewish bread.

So, Jews are Muslims with more money?
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Re: Allah

#39  Postby Dark energy » Mar 22, 2017 2:48 pm

laklak wrote:Allah = Muslim god. Challah = Jewish bread.

So, Jews are Muslims with more money?


Allah means simply THE GOD,just like BANANA means BANANA,there are many different varieties of BANANA,it is up to you which BANANA you choose,same with the thousands of gods out there.
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#40  Postby Alan B » Mar 22, 2017 2:56 pm

There are not "thousands of gods 'out there'". They all in the mind. Nowhere else.

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