Freedom of speech in an Islamic state

Hugin · #1 by **Hugin** » Jun 14, 2011 2:17 pm

From an Islamic site:

Islam gives freedom of opinion and freedom of speech to all citizens in the Islamic state, conditioned upon that this right is used for the expansion of virtue and truth and not for the expansion of evil and immorality. The Islamic idea of freedom of speech is significantly superior to that which predominates in the Western world.

[Original Swedish: Islam ger åsikts - och yttrandefrihet åt alla medborgare i den islamiska staten, på villkor att denna rädighet utnyttjas för utbredningen av dygd och sanning och inte för spridningen av ondska och omoral. Den islamiska iden om yttrandefrihet är betydligt överlägsen den som är rådande i västerlandet.]

In other words, the freedom of speech in the Islamic state is that which conforms to Islamic dogma. Which amounts to no freedom of speech at all.

z8000783 · #2 by **z8000783** » Jun 14, 2011 2:34 pm

And the surprise is?

John

metacristi · #3 by **metacristi** » Jun 17, 2011 8:58 pm

z8000783 wrote:And the surprise is?

John

No surprise at all indeed. For all those who want to be rational in this problem of course. The real surprise for me is that quite a few non-muslims want to be rational here

Even fewer are those capable to see that behind the apparent 'peaceful' face of islam in the West (and not only) there is only tolerance (among religions etc) on the terms of Islam...i.o.w. no real tolerance at all (especially if muslims ever gain some power).

The so called 'progressives' of islam are no big improvement for many are hardly capable (at the moment) to go far from the traditionalist view (a must for a real and durable muslim Enlightenment). There will be big problems with islam even in the fantasy worlds of such 'progressives' (many talking of 'democracy', even partial secularism etc)...The smoke screen thrown by some deluded western apologists of islam with 'making hasty generalizations about muslims' cannot hide the sad reality.

Honestly there is no real difference between saying 'I understand to some extent why Hitler thought the way he did but hey I am against Holocaust, World War 2 etc!' and claiming that 'I can understand somehow the jihadists but hey their interpretation is wrong, islam is in fact peace, egalitarianism, democracy etc' (in fact the pro-nazis may be in a better position for some accept that nazism had problematic parts, something we still wait to hear from muslims about islam).

I'm afraid that as the situation presents today there is little distance between peaceful pro-nazis claiming that they are against Holocaust, discrimination of the jews, World War 2 etc and the many muslims unconditionally convinced that islam is perfect and that it promotes peace etc. Both ideologies keep intact the capacity to provoke the same huge disasters* in the future as they did in the past. That's why it is never redundant to say the truth about islam and the 'allah virus' dominated world.

*in spite of the many arguments otherwise the islam lived by muhammad and taught by the qur'an is in the same league with nazism and bolshevism, showing the same despise for the life of those who do not fit into its worldview (a despise based on 'the true religion' this time instead of 'race' or 'social class'). The so called progressives of islam have never offered so far good reasons to think that a return (at least partial, admittedly some reforms are here to stay forever) of islam to its aggressive and discriminatory past is out of question

CdesignProponentsist · #4 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Jun 17, 2011 9:05 pm

Free speech when sufficiently regulated and stringently enforced is far superior to western free speech. I am authorized to say such things.

Matthew Shute · #5 by **Matthew Shute** » Jun 22, 2011 5:03 pm

The traditional Islamic definition of freedom: freedom is the freedom to be a slave of Allah/God. Freedom is slavery, as the totalitarian slogan in Orwell's 1894 has it.

james1v · #6 by **james1v** » Jun 22, 2011 5:13 pm

Put simply..."keep those blinkers on, or else!"

HughMcB · #7 by **HughMcB** » Jun 22, 2011 5:20 pm

The Islamic idea of freedom of speech is significantly superior to that which predominates in the Western world.

Splitter!

I'm With Stupid · #8 by **I'm With Stupid** » Jun 22, 2011 5:45 pm

Matthew Shute wrote:The traditional Islamic definition of freedom: freedom is the freedom to be a slave of Allah/God. Freedom is slavery, as the totalitarian slogan in Orwell's 1894 has it.

Is that the prequel?

HughMcB · #9 by **HughMcB** » Jun 22, 2011 5:59 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Matthew Shute wrote:The traditional Islamic definition of freedom: freedom is the freedom to be a slave of Allah/God. Freedom is slavery, as the totalitarian slogan in Orwell's 1894 has it.

Is that the prequel?

I believe John Hurt played Queen Victoria.

lordshipmayhem · **#10** by **lordshipmayhem** » Jun 23, 2011 2:18 am

HughMcB wrote:
I'm With Stupid wrote:
Matthew Shute wrote:The traditional Islamic definition of freedom: freedom is the freedom to be a slave of Allah/God. Freedom is slavery, as the totalitarian slogan in Orwell's 1894 has it.

Is that the prequel?

I believe John Hurt played Queen Victoria.

Queen Victoria won 3-1.

Matthew Shute · **#11** by **Matthew Shute** » Jun 23, 2011 3:46 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Matthew Shute wrote:The traditional Islamic definition of freedom: freedom is the freedom to be a slave of Allah/God. Freedom is slavery, as the totalitarian slogan in Orwell's 1894 has it.

Is that the prequel?

Well spotted. That's Orwell's little-known period drama, in which the thought police wore black ditto suits.