Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#41  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 11:48 am

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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#42  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 12:05 pm

also books, pew data . But even if this were not true, the fact islam is 1.5 billion in number pretty much makes a similar point that this religion has gained adherents . And does so even now.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#43  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 1:32 pm

cavarka9 wrote:also books, pew data . But even if this were not true, the fact islam is 1.5 billion in number pretty much makes a similar point that this religion has gained adherents . And does so even now.


The biggest problem when discussing actual number of believers in islam is it is almost impossible to find out. The same is true of catholicism. To get out officially from these belief systems is almost impossible and in the case of islam could be fatal.
We are at third and fourth generation of muslims here. Plenty have left but how much is very difficult to tell.

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Islam does not appear to be one of the most followed within its group. The majority are not raising their bums very often in a mosque.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#44  Postby Corneel » Feb 18, 2017 1:45 pm

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cavarka9 wrote:also books, pew data . But even if this were not true, the fact islam is 1.5 billion in number pretty much makes a similar point that this religion has gained adherents . And does so even now.


The biggest problem when discussing actual number of believers in islam is it is almost impossible to find out. The same is true of catholicism. To get out officially from these belief systems is almost impossible and in the case of islam could be fatal.
We are at third and fourth generation of muslims here. Plenty have left but how much is very difficult to tell.

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Islam does not appear to be one of the most followed within its group. The majority are not raising their bums very often in a mosque.

The problem is that church attendance and mosque attendance are not exactly comparable.
In Catholicism weekly attendance to mass is more or less (officially) compulsory and the Eucharist is one of the seven Sacraments.
In Islam it is the 5 daily prayers which are more or less (officially) compulsory and one of the five pillars of Islam, but mosque attendance for Friday prayers is not at all compulsory and more of a tradition.

So mosque attendance is less reliable as an indicator of religious fervor/seriousness of muslims than church attendance is for catholics.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#45  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 1:52 pm

There is no comparison between Sunday and Friday attendance. The first group is; once a week or more. Not one specific day.
In Ireland it was common for many people to attend daily mass which was hardly the case here.
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#46  Postby Corneel » Feb 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:There is no comparison between Sunday and Friday attendance. The first group is; once a week or more. Not one specific day.
In Ireland it was common for many people to attend daily mass which was hardly the case here.

The point is that Mosque attendance is not as important in Islam as Church attendance is in Catholicism.
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#47  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 2:45 pm

I think you find it is but it is one of the few indicators that we have. Once a muslim always a muslim which is why quoting numbers is pointless.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#48  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 3:08 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:I think you find it is but it is one of the few indicators that we have. Once a muslim always a muslim which is why quoting numbers is pointless.



yes, until ppl pretty much come out as atheists, i mean real atheists, not this fuck crap of atheist muslim, atheist jew, atheist hindus, crap them all. saw many of those types & so called agnostics, communists,marxists pretty much take up tribal positions, probably on behalf of families/friends. we all do that to some extent i suppose but still goes over board. there is that cenk uyighar who is pretty much an apologist & then that tariq ali guy, supposedly a communist but he is as much of an islamist as one can be without actually being one, also that shadi hamid guy http://www.amazon.in/Islamic-Exceptiona ... 1250061016

we really r living in this post modernist crap world now, where ppl can be islamist like that shadi hamid guy, saw his interview with sam harris, the entire time kept wondering, is this guy for real, do u know an islamist if u talked to one?
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#49  Postby laklak » Feb 18, 2017 3:48 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:The biggest problem when discussing actual number of believers in islam is it is almost impossible to find out. The same is true of catholicism.


Same is true here about religion in general. I've seen surveys saying some huge percentage of the population attends church weekly, but I see no evidence of that when driving around on Sunday. More like 10%, I'd wager. Actually, probably less than that. There's a lot of social pressure to pretend to be religious, apparently that matters to some people. :dunno:
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#50  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 4:31 pm

Exactly. I live opposite a church :( The most I see on a normal Sunday is about 10.
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#51  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 4:40 pm

the criteria shud be on coming out as atheist & actual atheist, not some apologia, yes v can listen sensitively to all their arguments, but at some point. draw the line. we are such sensitive bastards that we shall listen to every argument & probably fight among our selves.

so, getting back to my argument,

evolution has primed us to be sado masochist , religions which give expression to that shall be more successful, hence islam is a badass & is successful & still gaining adherents. what do u say folks? one religion where moral sense of shame simply has not worked. its easy to take hindus through a guilt trip in India, possible to do the same to xtians, but muslims dont fall for that, they come up & defend it, shadi guy says, yes religion talks abt war, mohammad was creating a state, pretty much justified,

verdict: islam is real problem. if u cant get someone to feel the tiniest amount of shame, u have lost already, that seems to be our current position. it has a bad book, bad prophet, bad history, bad ppl in power in many countries now. while technology is rapidly progressing. In hundred yrs from now, if saudi arabia & iran survive. by god, we are doomed . they will have all the tech we have, with +- 20-40 yrs. But still 60+yrs ahead of where we are from now.

all our capacity to apply pressure to them like it was done to south africa, time is running out. 50+ yrs from now, nuclear fusion will bcom common, or solar energy. either way, if they have access to near free energy, computing, then they can survive without much disturbance from others, stick to their religion. atheism will fail in those countries which dont value truth,honesty,free speech.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#52  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 4:48 pm

we cant hurt them, they will have tech to hurt us though, and they will keep encroaching into other countries , secular lib crap in India hav no answer to right wing hindu zealots. they just dont have any trick except to take hindus through a guilt trip. but that trick wont work for all time. I am scared, already the guilt trip method is beginning to fail. But even if not, there is massive evangelism campaign in India from USA , and right wing hindu push back of cutting down aid for foreign missionaries, USA republican party is taking issue with that. So, as hindu demographic shall fall, it will due to christian conversions, India being poor is a god send opportunity for missionaries. Islam demographic is rising. Bangladesh is becoming conservative, pakistan has the support of china.

There can be real civil war in Inda. massive bloodletting. Because Hindus think this is their country, bcos of partition, they believe this shud justifiably belong to them, after all partition meant muslims got pakistan & bangladesh to live in. All in all we are really living in interesting times. If 20% of Europe become muslims. Oh boy oh boy, america wont even be able to do much. bcos all its allies have muslims, liberal /left democrats in these countries will relent & accept soft bias in their favor to begin with.

ofcourse all this need not happen.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#53  Postby Alan B » Feb 18, 2017 5:15 pm

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Your posts would be more readable if you cut-out the Tweet crap. These forums are not character limited like Twitter.

Otherwise, OK.
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#54  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 5:21 pm

I cant agree more. Ok the occasional typo but this tweeting style is very irritating. His shift key seems to buggered as well.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#55  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 5:22 pm

Alan B wrote:u = you
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Your posts would be more readable if you cut-out the Tweet crap. These forums are not character limited like Twitter.

Otherwise, OK.



Ok, sorry. thanks.
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#56  Postby cavarka9 » Feb 18, 2017 5:22 pm

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#57  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 18, 2017 5:25 pm

Thanks :thumbup:
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#58  Postby Fallible » Feb 18, 2017 7:00 pm

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#59  Postby quas » Feb 19, 2017 3:52 am

cavarka9 wrote:the criteria shud be on coming out as atheist & actual atheist,


The problem is that the atheist community has been infected by the PC virus. Thus far, only Sam Harris dan Dawkins argue vehemently for atheism, and yet they are openly shamed within their own community for being "racist" or "islamaphobic". Sam Harris argued convincingly in his book "End of Faith" that if one chooses to accept certain religious doctrine as truth, then it logically entails that one should be intolerant towards other religion. Sam's argument is that believing in Islam necessitates its followers to be terrorists. But, we can't accept that, because we know some good Muslims, some of us even have moderate Muslims as friends.
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Re: Lindsay Lohan converts to Islam ... ???

#60  Postby Spinozasgalt » Feb 19, 2017 4:24 am

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