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Multi-scholar Islamic Fatwa declaring suicide attacks haram

#1  Postby Weaver » Jun 05, 2017 3:18 am

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/20704 ... acks-Haram
ISLAMABAD: Religious scholars from all schools of thought on Saturday issued a fatwa (religious decree) that declared suicide attacks, armed insurgency against a state and use of force in the name of imposing Shariah as ‘Haram’ or forbidden in Islam.

The fatwa carrying signatures of 31 noted scholars was released at a seminar “'Reconstruction of Pakistani society in the light of 'Mithaq-e-Madina' (Charter of Madina) and announcement of 'Paigham-e-Pakistan' (Message of Pakistan). The event was organised by the Islamic Research Institute of the International Islamic University Islamabad.

The unanimous declaration was presented by Professor Masoom Yasinzai while Mufti Rafi Usmani read out the fatwa. The religious edict condemned terrorism and extremism and declared suicide attackers and their supporters as traitors. It also declared Jihad a jurisdiction of Islamic state and disallowed use of force in name of enforcement of Islamic laws.

On the occasion, a unanimous decalartion [sic] titled 'Paigham-e-Pakistan', also signed by religious scholars from all schools of thought, was presented. Paigham-e-Pakistan called for action against the forces fanning extremism, true implementation of the law dealing with blasphemy and discouraging mob justice in this regard.


I personally doubt this will have any notable impact at all.

If it does, I'd expect to see a serious drop off in activity of the Haqqani Network first, followed by a reduction in Taliban activity - but I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a vacation home in the (truly) beautiful Hindu Kush just yet.
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#2  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 07, 2017 8:26 am

This is a positive move - all Islamic authorities in all countries should announce a similar decree.
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#3  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 07, 2017 9:15 am

Similarly/related:
Imams refuse funeral prayers for 'indefensible' London Bridge attackers

More than 130 religious leaders use unusual sanction to express disgust at murders ‘contravening Islam’ and vow to root out extremism

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/imams-refuse-funeral-prayers-to-indefensible-london-bridge-attackers?CMP=soc_567
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#4  Postby zulumoose » Jun 07, 2017 9:36 am

Could we be approaching a tipping point, where moderate Islamic rejection of extremists becomes the norm instead of the deafening silence from all but a few which we have come to expect?

Could this actually be an unexpected positive spin in reaction to the swing towards the politics of the populist right in various countries?

Could Islam be heading towards a eureka moment, where they actually realise the religion needs to be less literal and more cherry-picking in the way that Christianity has, if they are to retain belief and relevance to their followers?
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#5  Postby tuco » Jun 07, 2017 9:49 am

IMO its inevitable at some point.
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#6  Postby LucidFlight » Jun 07, 2017 10:04 am

Suicide attacks should be punishable by... uh... death.
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#7  Postby chairman bill » Jun 07, 2017 10:42 am

Terrorists should be declared non-Muslims, and so not entitled to an Islamic funeral, but should be cremated instead. Apparently this would mean they could not enter Paradise, would not pass Go, and not collect 72 virgins. Seems fair.
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#8  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jun 07, 2017 11:29 am

It would be a clear message but can they be declared a non-muslim. It is pretty impossible to lose your muslim stamp.
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#9  Postby Rumraket » Jun 07, 2017 11:35 am

Hasn't something like this been tried before several times? I vaguely recall reading about similar sentiments from various Arab islamic scholars, I think, following all the religious violence and retaliations that were spawned after the ousting of Saddam Hussein.

My question here is, are most normal and moderate muslims even aware that these fatwas are declared? How much of this manages to work it's way out among the general population?

Take the example with some yet-to-be-radicalized muslim guy out there, who is sitting on the fence and is trying to find out which way to go. Does he know a fatwa like this has been declared? And if he does, will it have any impact on which way he goes? I guess hard data on this doesn't really exist. I'm asking because, if stuff like this is actually effective, it really deserves much more attention that it gets.
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#10  Postby zulumoose » Jun 07, 2017 11:37 am

chairman bill wrote:Terrorists should be declared non-Muslims, and so not entitled to an Islamic funeral, but should be cremated instead. Apparently this would mean they could not enter Paradise, would not pass Go, and not collect 72 virgins. Seems fair.


They should be cremated publicly along with the waste from a non-halaal abbatoir.
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#11  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jun 07, 2017 11:53 am

@Rumracket

The question is how is news of these fatwas spread through the muslim world and are they so readily acceptable?
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#12  Postby laklak » Jun 07, 2017 2:08 pm

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#13  Postby Tzelemel » Jun 07, 2017 3:08 pm

Someone on reddit suggested the LDS should accept the London Bridge attackers, and posthumuously baptise them.
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#14  Postby NineBerry » Jun 07, 2017 3:18 pm

Tzelemel wrote:Someone on reddit suggested the LDS should accept the London Bridge attackers, and posthumuously baptise them.


They probably do that anyway...
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#15  Postby Matthew Shute » Jun 08, 2017 3:26 pm

Unfortunately, the murderous paradise hunters can simply change tactics if this fatwa gains wide acceptance. Many jihadis already eschew suicide bombing - with gun, knife, and vehicle attacks becoming increasingly common instead. This hasn't changed because they worry that suicide bombing might be haram. No, they've just found that the latter tactics are less likely to be thwarted, while being just as horrific and destructive. IS's verminous preachers can always say that a knife attacker isn't "committing suicide" as such, even when he's planning to roam around murdering people until the police shoot him dead.

Until Quranic literalism and salafism are utterly discredited and irrelevant, the religious interpretations of people like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are going to be with us (thank fuck there're relatively few who follow him, although he still has an estimated 47,600–257,900 direct followers, and who knows how many sympathisers). Muslim reformers who challenge Quranic literalism run into resistance at the outset - if they say that a single line in the Quran isn't Allah's divine word, they're already doing something haram, even unthinkable. Sadly, this hard line, that the Quran is Allah's direct and final message to humanity, is nothing like a fringe view yet.

I recently read that there have been more than 30,000 Islamist terror attacks across 67 countries since 9/11 alone. It's sobering to reflect that this scourge could get significantly worse before it gets better.

I've no idea if Islam will undergo major reform to become less toxic. When it comes to theological debates over how many martyrs can dance on the head of a pin, it's not possible to predict how long, or which direction, they'll take. If anything I pin more hopes on Muslims themselves noticing that all this heartache is needless, since Islam is awful and false. Leaving Islam, openly, is not always possible. But for more and more ex-Muslims, it has become a viable option; and claims that Islam is growing like Topsy should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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#16  Postby tuco » Jun 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Whether Islam is capable of reform is imo very similar question to whether Islam is compatible with liberal democracy.
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#17  Postby NineBerry » Jun 08, 2017 7:41 pm

I would question whether liberalism is compatible with democracy...
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#18  Postby tuco » Jun 08, 2017 8:10 pm

By liberal democracy I meant western democracy but since it does not necessarily need to be western, liberal seemed more appropriate in contrast to illiberal democracy. Tho just democracy suffice.
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