Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#101  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 3:54 pm

Muslims with dogs as pets:

https://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-an ... ghts/dogs/

Seems to have some balance to it, commenting on the dogs are haram theme as well as different interpretations and history.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#102  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 3:55 pm

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Thommo wrote:I've never been bitten by a cat. I think cats just have the good sense to bite the bad people.


I think you have a point. I've not been bitten by a cat but I have been bitten by a dog.

My cat bites me regularly … but it's more of a love nip.


Oh sure, cats and dogs both do that and it's harmless.
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#103  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 3:59 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Oh dear...you know what really pisses me off? People who are too boring/cowardly/ignorant to load an avatar.


There is much anger in you, pissed off one.

But credit to you for showing your real name and face in your avatar. That's honest and not at all hypocritical of you. :roll:
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#104  Postby romansh » Mar 18, 2019 4:00 pm

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Thommo wrote:I've never been bitten by a cat. I think cats just have the good sense to bite the bad people.


I think you have a point. I've not been bitten by a cat but I have been bitten by a dog.

My cat bites me regularly … but it's more of a love nip.


Oh sure, cats and dogs both do that and it's harmless.

Let me introduce to my cat.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#105  Postby Fallible » Mar 18, 2019 4:09 pm

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No, I didn't. Dogs see delivery peeps as intruders, and they think they're doing their job by repelling you.

My point was there was no warning. I understand the dynamic.


I think we're talking at cross purposes. I was talking about situations where you are in the environment of a dog/cat that knows you're there, and you know it's there, or you're on neutral ground and each knows the other is there. Perhaps you are getting close to it or stroking it. The dog will let you know it doesn't like what you're doing and to back off before biting, unless it has behavioural issues, with a whole series of non-verbal warnings, whereas in my experience, a cat will be sat on your lap purring one minute and the next it's drawn a nice red go-faster stripe on you, or given you a nice new couple of piercings. Dogs attacking the paperboy/girl/postman/woman is a very well known phenomenon...because you are deliberately entering their territory without warning and they take that as a sign that you're an immediate risk. That the time has passed for warnings. It's not OK that Bruce bit you, but that's the owner's fault for not keeping their protective dog under control.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#106  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 18, 2019 4:12 pm

GrahamH wrote:Muslims with dogs as pets:

https://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-an ... ghts/dogs/

Seems to have some balance to it, commenting on the dogs are haram theme as well as different interpretations and history.


Oh look! I had it all wrong! Muslims are fine with dogs! Phew! Happy dance :happydance:

I'm done with this thread for today. Bye bye.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#107  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 4:20 pm

romansh wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
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I think you have a point. I've not been bitten by a cat but I have been bitten by a dog.

My cat bites me regularly … but it's more of a love nip.


Oh sure, cats and dogs both do that and it's harmless.

Let me introduce to my cat.


How nice of you. Here kitty kitty!
You did say "love nip" right?
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#108  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 4:24 pm

Fallible wrote:whereas in my experience, a cat will be sat on your lap purring one minute and the next it's drawn a nice red go-faster stripe on you, or given you a nice new couple of piercings.

That can happen, but there are usually signs. Tail twitching, level of purring, ear posture, how much the cat is rubbing against you vs you petting it.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#109  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 18, 2019 4:26 pm

GrahamH wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:Oh dear...you know what really pisses me off? People who are too boring/cowardly/ignorant to load an avatar.


There is much anger in you, pissed off one.

But credit to you for showing your real name and face in your avatar. That's honest and not at all hypocritical of you. :roll:


Tell a lie, one more.

That would come under the category of boring.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#110  Postby GrahamH » Mar 18, 2019 4:31 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
GrahamH wrote:Muslims with dogs as pets:

https://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-an ... ghts/dogs/

Seems to have some balance to it, commenting on the dogs are haram theme as well as different interpretations and history.


Oh look! I had it all wrong! Muslims are fine with dogs! Phew! Happy dance :happydance:

I'm done with this thread for today. Bye bye.


There you go, a learning experience!
It must really piss you off to face a balanced article that neither confirms your preconceived ideas nor ignores them.
If only it was all black and white.
Not all Muslims hate dogs, there are some false beliefs about dogs among Muslims. It varies, it's not immutable. Some Muslims have pet dogs, Muslim traditions dictate that pet owners treat their pets humanely.
That shouldn't be a surprise should it?
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#111  Postby newolder » Mar 18, 2019 4:34 pm

GrahamH wrote:
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My cat bites me regularly … but it's more of a love nip.


Oh sure, cats and dogs both do that and it's harmless.

Let me introduce to my cat.


How nice of you. Here kitty kitty!
You did say "love nip" right?

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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#112  Postby Fallible » Mar 18, 2019 4:37 pm

GrahamH wrote:
Fallible wrote:whereas in my experience, a cat will be sat on your lap purring one minute and the next it's drawn a nice red go-faster stripe on you, or given you a nice new couple of piercings.

That can happen, but there are usually signs. Tail twitching, level of purring, ear posture, how much the cat is rubbing against you vs you petting it.


Perhaps I'm just less well schooled in cat non-verbals. I grew up with both, but have only had dogs as an adult.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#113  Postby The_Piper » Mar 18, 2019 5:05 pm

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If I drove a cab for members of the public, beyond the potential mess they can make of a car seat, I'd worry that the fur and dander left behind could trigger asthmatic/allergic symptoms in a very young passenger, or in one who's health is already compromised.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#114  Postby Fallible » Mar 18, 2019 5:06 pm

Yep.
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#115  Postby fluttermoth » Mar 18, 2019 7:25 pm

I live in rural Cornwall, and no taxis (or buses) will take dogs, unless you've arranged it in advance, and many firms won't take them at all.

There aren't many Muslim taxi drivers here, AFAIK!

On a side issue, I'm not sure being bitten by a dog makes you scared of them. I, my mum and my uncle have all been bitten (really quite badly in my uncle's case), and we still love dogs. I think being bitten gives you good reason/excuse, if you didn't like them already, whereas if you do like dogs, you can usually explain away, or understand, why that particular dog reacted that way, in that situation, rather than becoming afraid of all dogs.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#116  Postby Fallible » Mar 18, 2019 7:32 pm

Good point.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#117  Postby Thommo » Mar 18, 2019 10:25 pm

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Fallible wrote:What were you doing to the ferret?


Trying to make friends. No trousers were involved.

You removed your trousers in order to befriend a ferret? Do go on... :popcorn:

ETA - I'm on page 2 of this topic - reading to catch up now...


Oh no, I was wearing trousers, but they weren't involved.

I simply pre-empted any concerns about trouser stuffing.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#118  Postby Thommo » Mar 18, 2019 10:29 pm

romansh wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
Thommo wrote:I've never been bitten by a cat. I think cats just have the good sense to bite the bad people.


I think you have a point. I've not been bitten by a cat but I have been bitten by a dog.

My cat bites me regularly … but it's more of a love nip.


Full disclosure, the entire meaning of that post was "Fallible is a bad person" and anything else anyone reads into it is entirely at their own risk.

PS: I'm pretty sure Fallible IS a bad person.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#119  Postby romansh » Mar 18, 2019 11:23 pm

GrahamH wrote:
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Let me introduce [you] to my cat.


How nice of you. Here kitty kitty!
You did say "love nip" right?

He's a very loving cat … especially when he wants to be fed or petted and hasn't been.
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Re: Muslim's attitudes toward dogs.

#120  Postby romansh » Mar 18, 2019 11:32 pm

Fallible wrote: whereas in my experience, a cat will be sat on your lap purring one minute and the next it's drawn a nice red go-faster stripe on you, or given you a nice new couple of piercings.


Again that could be because you don't speak cat. Sure some cats have a nasty side and not all dogs attack paper boys. The other thing with cats is if they do have their claws into you … don't yank your hand away.


Incidentally I got meet Bruce socially … but I was always wary of him even when he was happy to be stroked and patted.
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