http://asia.eurosport.com/snooker/mcleod-through_sto2854236/story.shtml

Having completed a 5-2 victory over Robert Milkins, McLeod, a Muslim, is said to have refused to shake female referee Ivy Zhu by the hand, in keeping with his religious beliefs.

The claim came from the Twitter page of respected Dutch referee Jan Verhaas, who posted: "Rory McLeod refused to shake female ref Ivy Zhu's hand this morning because of his muslim believes. You may think what you like about it..."

Instruments of gambling are haram, snooker clubs invariably have a bar and players can't wear long beards. I suppose he's gotta do something to make up for it.

Rory... Wasn't he the first cousin of Mohammed?

I hope Ms Zhu called him a bigoted cunt not worthy of the oxygen?

Darwinsbulldog wrote:I hope Ms Zhu called him a bigoted cunt not worthy of the oxygen?

Apparently "Zhu herself was reportedly completely unruffled by the incident -- according to one report, she even joked on her own blog that it helped save a bit of time".

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/wor ... cle/57456/

I would have thought that was the best reaction to such stupidity.

And you could be forgiven for supposing that a black guy would probably know a bit about bigotry and prejudice such that he would be unwilling to exhibit it himself.

I would be interested to see what he actually did as he refused her hand. Is there any footage of this?

John

z8000783 wrote:I would be interested to see what he actually did as he refused her hand. Is there any footage of this?

John

There was a bit of discussion on the snooker forums (yes, such places seem to exist) and the main points were there didn't seem to be connection automatically to his religion, alothugh the story has been out for a week now so maybe he should have commented.

And the second point was that whatever his reason, he could have said something before the game so as to avoid any unnecessary snub.

http://snookerscene.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... -hand.html

HomerJay wrote:

z8000783 wrote:I would be interested to see what he actually did as he refused her hand. Is there any footage of this?

John

There was a bit of discussion on the snooker forums (yes, such places seem to exist) and the main points were there didn't seem to be connection automatically to his religion, alothugh the story has been out for a week now so maybe he should have commented.

And the second point was that whatever his reason, he could have said something before the game so as to avoid any unnecessary snub.

But that would require that he speak to her, isn't that against Muslim beliefs as well or is that belief not as strong as the hand shaking one?

John

z8000783 wrote:

HomerJay wrote:

z8000783 wrote:I would be interested to see what he actually did as he refused her hand. Is there any footage of this?

John

There was a bit of discussion on the snooker forums (yes, such places seem to exist) and the main points were there didn't seem to be connection automatically to his religion, alothugh the story has been out for a week now so maybe he should have commented.

And the second point was that whatever his reason, he could have said something before the game so as to avoid any unnecessary snub.

But that would require that he speak to her. Isn't that against Muslim beliefs as well or is that belief not as strong as hand shaking?

John

He could of asked an infidel to ask her.

I'd love if the next snooker player to play him refused to shake hands with him. "Sorry. I don't shake hands with Muslims."
Just as a consciousness raiser.

MattHunX wrote:

Juliuseizure wrote:http://asia.eurosport.com/snooker/mcleod-through_sto2854236/story.shtml

Having completed a 5-2 victory over Robert Milkins, McLeod, a Muslim, is said to have refused to shake female referee Ivy Zhu by the hand, in keeping with his religious beliefs.

The claim came from the Twitter page of respected Dutch referee Jan Verhaas, who posted: "Rory McLeod refused to shake female ref Ivy Zhu's hand this morning because of his muslim believes. You may think what you like about it..."

Instruments of gambling are haram, snooker clubs invariably have a bar and players can't wear long beards. I suppose he's gotta do something to make up for it.

My thoughts...almost exactly.

I wonder how such muslims can live (and play) by the rules and lead such a life clearly in western culture (gambling, casinos, bars...etc.) and still at the end of the day refuse to shake a woman's hand. As if they can be considered muslims who are keeping traditions completely. Such muslims by their place alone ought to be considered oddballs. I'm not saying, this time, that they shouldn't even call themselves muslims, but really...? After all that he refuses to touch a lady because he's such a good muslim, loyal to the prophet and allah? Ridiculous.

I think what his actions show is what the real problem is with Islam. Women are considered much more evil/naughty or whatever the fuck it is they think of them, than gambling and bars etc. It's a religion built around sexism. Fucking tools.

Thank you, Animavore. It would raise a storm of anger at the "intolerant anti-muslim". But everbody's comfortably used to dicriminating women, it's so common that nobody even complains anymore.

He kept his filthy inferior germs off of her superior hands.

I just wish the female referee had gone on to announce that retrieving any colours potted by a person whose hand she had not touched was against her religion.


Re-spot yer own fucking black, ya misogynist wanker.

Matt, I don't know if you like to read novels, but something very special happened to a sick and violent Muslim male in A Thousand Splendid Suns written by Khaled Hosseini. It begins on page 308, and ends on page 311. I know that Hosseini wrote from his experiences while growing up in Afghanistan. The deadly brawl between two good women and one human-monster sounds so real, it must be something he actually witnessed or heard about while growing up in Afghanistan. A handshake snub doesn't deserve death, but the story in the book is indicative of the delicious power of natural female survival skills.

Shouldn't that be "Rory ibn Leod"?

My ex-partner was snubbed by an orthodox Jew once. He refused to shake hands, quoting his religion. Wonderful thing, religion, for bringing understanding between people...

Animavore wrote:


He could of asked an infidel to ask her.

I'd love if the next snooker player to play him refused to shake hands with him. "Sorry. I don't shake hands with Muslims."
Just as a consciousness raiser.

Awesome idea.

MattHunX wrote:

Juliuseizure wrote:http://asia.eurosport.com/snooker/mcleod-through_sto2854236/story.shtml

Having completed a 5-2 victory over Robert Milkins, McLeod, a Muslim, is said to have refused to shake female referee Ivy Zhu by the hand, in keeping with his religious beliefs.

The claim came from the Twitter page of respected Dutch referee Jan Verhaas, who posted: "Rory McLeod refused to shake female ref Ivy Zhu's hand this morning because of his muslim believes. You may think what you like about it..."

Instruments of gambling are haram, snooker clubs invariably have a bar and players can't wear long beards. I suppose he's gotta do something to make up for it.

My thoughts...almost exactly.

I wonder how such muslims can live (and play) by the rules and lead such a life clearly in western culture (gambling, casinos, bars...etc.) and still at the end of the day refuse to shake a woman's hand. As if they can be considered muslims who are keeping traditions completely. Such muslims by their place alone ought to be considered oddballs. I'm not saying, this time, that they shouldn't even call themselves muslims, but really...? After all that he refuses to touch a lady because he's such a good muslim, loyal to the prophet and allah? Ridiculous.

What I don't understand is how a serial armed mugger or crack addled prostitute can call themselves Christian and nobody bats an eyelid.

There doesn't seem to be any immutable tenet of any faith TBH, just varying degrees of consensus. Marriage is the main thing.

FWIW, (some) orthodox Jews would also refrain from shaking the hand of a woman, for fear of unwittingly shaking the hand of someone who was menstruating...

Religion.... what a RIDICULOUS practice.