Scot Dutchy wrote:Another dead ender of a thread. He has moved on again.

Oeditor wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Another dead ender of a thread. He has moved on again.

Not to worry - I'm sure we'll keep finding new discoveries about early Islam long after we've forgotten paarsurrey, just like we've forgotten Ray.

z8000783 wrote:Who?

Iraqi Imams view the 605-page qur'an written using 24 litres of former dictator Saddam Hussein's own blood donated over a number of years. Photograph: Scott Peterson/Getty Images

It was etched in the blood of a dictator in a ghoulish bid for piety. Over the course of two painstaking years in the late 1990s, Saddam Hussein had sat regularly with a nurse and an Islamic calligrapher; the former drawing 27 litres of his blood and the latter using it as a macabre ink to transcribe a Qur'an. But since the fall of Baghdad, almost eight years ago, it has stayed largely out of sight - locked away behind three vaulted doors. It is the one part of the ousted tyrant's legacy that Iraq has simply not known what to do with.

The most alert commentators of the sacred text have not succeeded in establishing
the exact structure of the Temple [. . . ] You Christians do not understand that the sacred
text is born from a Voice. [W]hen he speaks to his prophets, [the Lord] allows them to
hear sounds, but does not show figures, as you people do, with your illuminated pages.

The voice surely provokes images in the hear of the prophet, but these images are not
immobile; they liquefy, change shape according to the melody of that voice, and if you
want to reduce to images the voice of the Lord, blessed always be his name, you freeze
that voice, as though it were fresh water turning into ice that no longer quenches thirst,
but numbs the limbs in the chill of death.

clerical enslavement

Clive Durdle wrote:Remember, all writing is frozen images.

Clive Durdle wrote:

The most alert commentators of the sacred text have not succeeded in establishing
the exact structure of the Temple [. . . ] You Christians do not understand that the sacred
text is born from a Voice. [W]hen he speaks to his prophets, [the Lord] allows them to
hear sounds, but does not show figures, as you people do, with your illuminated pages.

The voice surely provokes images in the hear of the prophet, but these images are not
immobile; they liquefy, change shape according to the melody of that voice, and if you
want to reduce to images the voice of the Lord, blessed always be his name, you freeze
that voice, as though it were fresh water turning into ice that no longer quenches thirst,
but numbs the limbs in the chill of death.

http://www.fedegarcia.net/writings/baudolino.pdf

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Clive Durdle wrote:

The most alert commentators of the sacred text have not succeeded in establishing
the exact structure of the Temple [. . . ] You Christians do not understand that the sacred
text is born from a Voice. [W]hen he speaks to his prophets, [the Lord] allows them to
hear sounds, but does not show figures, as you people do, with your illuminated pages.

The voice surely provokes images in the hear of the prophet, but these images are not
immobile; they liquefy, change shape according to the melody of that voice, and if you
want to reduce to images the voice of the Lord, blessed always be his name, you freeze
that voice, as though it were fresh water turning into ice that no longer quenches thirst,
but numbs the limbs in the chill of death.

http://www.fedegarcia.net/writings/baudolino.pdf

What a load of twaddle. The fucking koran was the biggist mess of all time. Even today there is no definite version.

z8000783 wrote:

Clive Durdle wrote:Remember, all writing is frozen images.

Not to a musician.

John

Clive Durdle wrote:That the idea of immutability has been thought to be blasphemous.

Historical Methodology and the Believer

by Ibn Warraq (July 2010)

Clive Durdle wrote:http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/66954/sec_id/66954

Historical Methodology and the Believer

by Ibn Warraq (July 2010)

Clive Durdle wrote:http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/66954/sec_id/66954

Historical Methodology and the Believer

by Ibn Warraq (July 2010)

Fascinating call here for institutes of koranic and syriac studies, and that open study of Islam in universities has already been corrupted by Saudi money.