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Reciting the Quran

#1  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 16, 2011 11:10 am

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#2  Postby Oeditor » Jul 16, 2011 11:58 am

Wouldn't it be better to teach Muslims to read? This could be the forerunner of YouTube - trivial messages cloaked in acres of rambling that would look absurd in print.
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#3  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 16, 2011 12:03 pm

The trouble is that in madrassas (spelling?) when they are taught to read it is just so they can memorise the Quran.
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#4  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 16, 2011 12:28 pm

trivial messages cloaked in acres of rambling that would look absurd in print.


Pray do elaborate :what:
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#5  Postby Oeditor » Jul 16, 2011 2:45 pm

cursuswalker wrote:
trivial messages cloaked in acres of rambling that would look absurd in print.


Pray do elaborate :what:
I regret the proliferation of YouTube, where you may have to waste several minutes watching rambling which, if in print, you could quickly assess held nothing of value. Even if it has useful content, in most cases I'd prefer to see it in print, where I could skim. Since religious messages have no worthwile content anyway, invisible ink is probably the ideal medium
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#6  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 16, 2011 5:08 pm

Oeditor wrote:
cursuswalker wrote:
trivial messages cloaked in acres of rambling that would look absurd in print.


Pray do elaborate :what:
I regret the proliferation of YouTube, where you may have to waste several minutes watching rambling which, if in print, you could quickly assess held nothing of value. Even if it has useful content, in most cases I'd prefer to see it in print, where I could skim. Since religious messages have no worthwile content anyway, invisible ink is probably the ideal medium


But there are certain things that cannot be accessed in print.................such as a stylised recitation.

Besides, one might argue that YouTube marks a return of.............how to phrase this............story-telling/an oral tradition/other phrases meaning more immediate forms of discourse.

Having said that there are many many that I would not plough through. I wish that people included transcripts sometimes.
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Re: Reciting the Quran

#7  Postby NineBerry » Jul 16, 2011 5:19 pm

Your Arab German Austrian pronounciation sucks ;)
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#8  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 16, 2011 5:23 pm

NineBerry wrote:Your Arab German Austrian pronounciation sucks ;)


I don't doubt it :D

Was it at least understandable?
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#9  Postby cavarka9 » Jul 16, 2011 5:25 pm

:silenced:
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#10  Postby bioeng » Jul 16, 2011 7:59 pm

I wish I could sing half as well.

Well done, point made! :cheers:
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#11  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 17, 2011 12:37 pm

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#12  Postby NineBerry » Jul 17, 2011 12:43 pm

cursuswalker wrote:
NineBerry wrote:Your Arab German Austrian pronounciation sucks ;)


I don't doubt it :D

Was it at least understandable?



Need some practice:

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#13  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 17, 2011 12:53 pm

NineBerry wrote:
cursuswalker wrote:
NineBerry wrote:Your Arab German Austrian pronounciation sucks ;)


I don't doubt it :D

Was it at least understandable?



Need some practice:



What an appalling accent! Even if it's the right one :D
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Re: Reciting the Quran

#14  Postby jaydot » Jul 17, 2011 6:08 pm

that was a pretty good take-off of hitler. it evoked exactly the same response in me that it did when i was a kid hearing it for the first time, long after the event. it's terrifying in its anger. i have always been baffled that people are willing to give credence to ranting tub-thumpers. i loathe them and their horrifying power. i see the same attribute in the fundamentalists and zealots of all kinds everywhere. ian paiseley is a classic example of the breed, arthur scargill a pale imitation.
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#15  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 17, 2011 7:28 pm

jaydot wrote:that was a pretty good take-off of hitler. it evoked exactly the same response in me that it did when i was a kid hearing it for the first time, long after the event. it's terrifying in its anger. i have always been baffled that people are willing to give credence to ranting tub-thumpers. i loathe them and their horrifying power. i see the same attribute in the fundamentalists and zealots of all kinds everywhere. ian paiseley is a classic example of the breed, arthur scargill a pale imitation.


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Re: Reciting the Quran

#16  Postby Evolving » Jul 17, 2011 9:58 pm

We all have our own reactions to these things, depending on what we are familiar with. Obviously I knew you were reading German, though the pronunciation (forgive me) didn’t make it easy to follow all of it (sorry…). When you got on to “zwei deutsche Staaten” I assumed this was a text from the Cold War.
As for the clip posted by Nineberry (from a man I greatly admire – Qualtinger, not Nineberry!): this was another moment of Verfremdung, as Brecht used to say, because it’s not Hitler’s accent at all: it’s Viennese (naturally enough, since Qualtinger was born and died in Vienna): he slips in a few things that Hitler used to do, pronunciation-wise, but it doesn’t change the general impression, of someone from Vienna doing a take-off of Hitler. Sounds like an American trying to sound British, and not doing it very well (or an Englishman trying to sound American and not really having a clue how, beyond inserting an R in unexpected places).
Someone who comes astonishingly close to the original, in my opinion, is Bruno Ganz, in Der Untergang.
Makes me wonder why Qualtinger did this. Qualtinger, for those of an English-speaking persuasion, was a theatrical performer of political satire: a “Kabarettist” (which has nothing to do with “cabaret” as the term is used in English: that is called “variété” in German). I saw his “Der Herr Karl” in Vienna (not with Q himself – bit before my time!). What did he think he was doing this time, reciting Mein Kampf in a non-authentic accent, but with a number of well-imitated mannerisms and idiosyncrasies? (If he was doing it for a local audience, the mannerisms and idiosyncrasies would have been quite sufficient.)
For me, it embeds Hitler’s words in normality: here’s someone talking in an accent in which I would expect to hear normal, everyday things: I had a business meeting just the other day with someone from Vienna; and here he is, spouting out this outrageous stuff.
If I see footage of Lenin or Mao, or anyone whose language I don’t understand, I have a reaction that is probably like that of a couple of the posters on this thread: it’s weird, eerie, troubling, demonic, and so on. The lightning conductor, that brings it down to earth and dispels all the diabolical atmosphere that has gathered around it, is when you understand the actual words and realise what a load of banal, stupid rubbish it all is.
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Re: Reciting the Quran

#17  Postby cursuswalker » Jul 17, 2011 10:16 pm

Evolving wrote:We all have our own reactions to these things, depending on what we are familiar with. Obviously I knew you were reading German, though the pronunciation (forgive me) didn’t make it easy to follow all of it (sorry…). When you got on to “zwei deutsche Staaten” I assumed this was a text from the Cold War.


No need to apologise :)

I knew I was not likely to get the pronunciation right. The point is, as you say further on, that one can think a recitation of another language sounds good, and yet be totally unaware of the obscenity of what is being recited.
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#18  Postby cherries » Jul 17, 2011 10:44 pm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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