The good bits of Islam from atheists' perspectives

Scot Dutchy · **#21** by **Scot Dutchy** » Mar 05, 2018 5:33 pm

They drink like fish.

BlackBart · **#22** by **BlackBart** » Mar 05, 2018 5:36 pm

NineBerry wrote:Ban of Alcohol

Corneel · **#23** by **Corneel** » Mar 05, 2018 5:40 pm

NineBerry wrote:Ban of Alcohol

Except that worked out about as well as the insistence on poverty in the New Testament for Christians.
:drunk:

Blackadder · **#24** by **Blackadder** » Mar 05, 2018 8:34 pm

NineBerry wrote:Ban of Alcohol

Fuck that. One of my great pleasures in life since leaving the death cult is an occasional glass of red wine.

And bacon. Don't forget the bacon.

NineBerry · **#25** by **NineBerry** » Mar 06, 2018 1:04 am

Alcohol and bacon together are among the worst murderers, responsible for a lot more deaths than all wars combined...

laklak · **#26** by **laklak** » Mar 06, 2018 3:51 am

Red wine is good for your heart, bacon is bad. Just make sure to drink red wine with your bacon and you'll be fine.

NineBerry · **#27** by **NineBerry** » Mar 06, 2018 9:06 am

laklak wrote:Red wine is good for your heart.

A lie perpetrated by the wine industry.

Scot Dutchy · **#28** by **Scot Dutchy** » Mar 06, 2018 11:26 am

6 Reasons Why a Little Glass of Wine Each Day May Do You Good

The list of wines benefits is longand getting more surprising all the time. Already well-known as heart healthy, wine in moderation might help you lose weight, reduce forgetfulness, boost your immunity, and help prevent bone loss.

Matthew Shute · **#29** by **Matthew Shute** » Mar 06, 2018 12:06 pm

NineBerry wrote:Ban of Alcohol

With the stuff that a lot of Muslims are able to affirm with passion while stone cold sober, maybe you have a point. :cheers:

Alcohol and bacon together are among the worst murderers, responsible for a lot more deaths than all wars combined...

Few will ever die from drinking at the level that I do, for example. I wouldn't throw away my experiences with alcohol, but they're relatively few and far between. Excessive drinkers and alcoholics can ruin their health and die young, but what are we going to do about that? Re-run the experiment with prohibition? We all know how effective it was from 1920 to 1933. We could all tell ourselves that one drop of the demon drink takes us on a road to hell, or at least to hellish experiences. But for many of us that would just be telling ourselves lies.

NineBerry · **#30** by **NineBerry** » Mar 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:6 Reasons Why a Little Glass of Wine Each Day May Do You Good
The list of wines benefits is longand getting more surprising all the time. Already well-known as heart healthy, wine in moderation might help you lose weight, reduce forgetfulness, boost your immunity, and help prevent bone loss.

[...]
Last year, news outlets from the U.S. to the U.K. to as far away as India gleefully reported that having a glass or two of wine with dinner was found to be good for your health and mental well-being, citing a Finnish study published in the journal Alcohol and Alcoholism.

However, a cursory look at the Finnish paper reveals a crucial caveat conveniently ignored in news reports: “Consumption of wine with meals was associated with high socioeconomic status and high subjective well-being.”

This line hints that wine drinkers tend to belong to well-off demographics, and this is what may explain their good health and subjective well-being – not so much the wine.

Indeed, back in 2006, Danish researchers found that people who plopped a bottle of wine in their shopping carts were also more likely to pick up fresh produce and other healthy ingredients for their fridge than beer drinkers, who tended to load up on frozen meals and high-sugar snacks.

There’s a reason why “correlation does not infer causation” is such a widely recited mantra among scientists.

[...]

https://globalnews.ca/news/3482233/is-w ... ur-health/

Scot Dutchy · **#31** by **Scot Dutchy** » Mar 06, 2018 4:47 pm

Opinions vary. The beer I drink is more expensive than wine.

Sendraks · **#32** by **Sendraks** » Mar 06, 2018 5:05 pm

The view of the medical establishment is that drinking in moderation doesn't do you any harm. A glass of red of an evening or a nice bottle of trappist ale, isn't going to do you any harm. Whether it is going to do you any good, is still not conclusive.

Blackadder · **#33** by **Blackadder** » Mar 06, 2018 6:20 pm

Red wine has done me a lot less harm than Islam has.

Sendraks · **#34** by **Sendraks** » Mar 06, 2018 6:36 pm

I'm not sure Islam in moderate doses every evening is good for anyone.

Oeditor · **#35** by **Oeditor** » Mar 12, 2018 7:35 pm

NineBerry wrote:Alcohol and bacon together are among the worst murderers, responsible for a lot more deaths than all wars combined...

Halal takeaways round here have halal bacon made from chicken: never mind the pork, savour the nitrites.

Thommo · **#36** by **Thommo** » Mar 12, 2018 8:07 pm

Re: The alleged health benefits of wine:

Rumpole of the Bailey wrote:There’s no pleasure on earth that’s worth sacrificing for the sake of an extra five years in the geriatric ward of the Sunset Old People’s Home, Weston-Super-Mare.

PS: Almost all food stories of the sorts "X is better for you than people say it is", "Y will help you lose weight", "Z isn't as bad for you as it obviously is" are bullshit.

Oeditor · **#37** by **Oeditor** » Mar 12, 2018 8:48 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csvscj

Why are humans especially vulnerable to big promises about food? A neurologist explains why food can make us lose our powers of critical thinking even if we are well educated,

The Food Chain, World Service radio.

Spinozasgalt · **#38** by **Spinozasgalt** » Mar 14, 2018 9:06 am

I'm gonna be controversial and suggest Al-Ghazali and the Islamic Occasionalists.

:shifty:

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