The Obedient Wife Club

DoctorE · #1 by **DoctorE** » Jun 03, 2011 10:19 am

KUALA LUMPUR — A group of Malaysian Muslim women say they will fight divorce, domestic violence and other problems -- by appealing to wives to be more obedient, according to one of the organisers.

Maznah Taufik said "The Obedient Wife Club" being launched Saturday is aimed at drawing women who will be taught how to please their husbands better to prevent them from straying or misbehaving.

"We just want to ask all the wives to be obedient wives so that there will be fewer problems in our society," such as infidelity, divorce and domestic violence, she told AFP.

"Obedient wife means they are trying to entertain their husbands, not only taking care of their food and clothes," Maznah said. "They have to obey their husbands. That's the way Islam also asks."

Malaysia is a Muslim-majority country, with some 60 percent of the population practicing the religion, alongside large ethnic Chinese and Indian communities who are mostly Buddhist, Hindu and Christian.

According to local media, the country's divorce rate doubled from 2002 to 2009, with rates higher among Muslims than non-Muslims.

Maznah said it was also the men's responsibility to teach their wives to be obedient.

"Some wives, they just want to get married for leisure but they don't know the responsibility," she said.

"To entertain their husbands is compulsory. If she doesn't do this, the husband will look for another woman... and the house will break down."

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trubble76 · #2 by **trubble76** » Jun 03, 2011 10:29 am

Sounds somewhat similar to Stockholmn Syndrome to me. :dunno:

Doubtdispelled · #3 by **Doubtdispelled** » Jun 03, 2011 11:00 am

How about they just ask all the men to stop being selfish ignorant fuckwits instead? :roll:

trubble76 · #4 by **trubble76** » Jun 03, 2011 11:07 am

Doubtdispelled wrote:How about they just ask all the men to stop being selfish ignorant fuckwits instead?

That's exactly the sort of thing you'd hear from a disobedient wife! :naughty:

pensioner · #5 by **pensioner** » Jun 03, 2011 11:15 am

If I put such a proposition to my wife I would be able to get a job as a no balls squeaky voiced operative. :shock:

Calilasseia · #6 by **Calilasseia** » Jun 03, 2011 11:24 am

So these women think that the solution to selfish, boorish men saying to them "get in the kitchen, bitch", is to roll over and comply?

Evidence, ladies and gentlemen, that religion truly rots the brain.

devogue · #7 by **devogue** » Jun 03, 2011 11:27 am

That has to be a poe.

Emmeline · #8 by **Emmeline** » Jun 03, 2011 1:12 pm

It's not all that long ago that the majority of Christian weddings in the UK contained the pledge for the wife to obey the husband so it takes time for outdated notions of marriage to disappear. I can't see that happening in Islam though in the same way it has with mainstream Christianity.

Doubtdispelled · #9 by **Doubtdispelled** » Jun 03, 2011 1:30 pm

trubble76 wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:How about they just ask all the men to stop being selfish ignorant fuckwits instead?

That's exactly the sort of thing you'd hear from a disobedient wife!

Nora_Leonard · **#10** by **Nora_Leonard** » Jun 03, 2011 1:39 pm

Emmeline wrote:It's not all that long ago that the majority of Christian weddings in the UK contained the pledge for the wife to obey the husband so it takes time for outdated notions of marriage to disappear. I can't see that happening in Islam though in the same way it has with mainstream Christianity.

Wasn't there also a group of women in the US that tried something like this, or a best-selling book that made many of us want to puke? Not so long ago, as I recall. I can't remember exactly what it was...

Evolving · **#11** by **Evolving** » Jun 03, 2011 2:19 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives

(I know it's not what you're thinking of, Nora!)

Oeditor · **#12** by **Oeditor** » Jun 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Lie back and think of Allah. Preferably in the kitchen.
As for divorce being more common among Muslims, surely that's because men only have to twirl round three times in order to change their wife for a new model.

Scot Dutchy · **#13** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jun 03, 2011 2:44 pm

Emmeline wrote:It's not all that long ago that the majority of Christian weddings in the UK contained the pledge for the wife to obey the husband so it takes time for outdated notions of marriage to disappear. I can't see that happening in Islam though in the same way it has with mainstream Christianity.

Still is the case in many xtian sects. In the extreme calvanistic churches the women is a second class person and has no say in the running of the church. She has no say in the house either. The man sits on his throne (no joke that is what it called). Incest is also very common. There is great similarity with the position of the woman in islam.

Tyrannical · **#14** by **Tyrannical** » Jun 03, 2011 2:55 pm

Nora_Leonard wrote:
Emmeline wrote:It's not all that long ago that the majority of Christian weddings in the UK contained the pledge for the wife to obey the husband so it takes time for outdated notions of marriage to disappear. I can't see that happening in Islam though in the same way it has with mainstream Christianity.

Wasn't there also a group of women in the US that tried something like this, or a best-selling book that made many of us want to puke? Not so long ago, as I recall. I can't remember exactly what it was...

I remember seeing a book just like that in my wife's gynecologist's office. It seemed like a great idea to me :think:

Wish it wasn't the hard cover though because it hurt

rJD · **#15** by **rJD** » Jun 03, 2011 2:56 pm

According to local media, the country's divorce rate doubled from 2002 to 2009, with rates higher among Muslims than non-Muslims.

So their answer to the problem that is specifically worse for their religious group is "more of the same". Now, we can't be sure that Muslim attitudes towards gender are the cause for the high divorce rate but it seems reasonably likely, unless non-Muslim groups have an even more oppressive attitude to women.

Nora_Leonard · **#16** by **Nora_Leonard** » Jun 03, 2011 3:38 pm

Evolving wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives

(I know it's not what you're thinking of, Nora!)

There's the True Woman Manifesto and the Surrendered Wives movement, but I'm not sure either of those is the one I was thinking of.

Needless to say, neither of these were Muslim, and they appear to have pre-dated the Obedient Wife club.

Evolving · **#17** by **Evolving** » Jun 03, 2011 3:42 pm

Nora_Leonard wrote:
There's the True Woman Manifesto and the Surrendered Wives movement...

I feel ill.

Nora_Leonard · **#18** by **Nora_Leonard** » Jun 03, 2011 3:45 pm

Evolving wrote:
Nora_Leonard wrote:
There's the True Woman Manifesto and the Surrendered Wives movement...

I feel ill.

That's the sad thing. There are many women out there who want 'their man' to make all the decisions, take charge, lead the way etc etc. And conversely I guess there are still men out there who are prepared to leave all the 'sentimental' touchy-feely stuff to women. Thankfully that's not true of a lot of men I've met on the forum.

Agrippina · **#19** by **Agrippina** » Jun 03, 2011 4:38 pm

I walked out of a JW wedding because the bride promised to "respect" the husband and obey him. Needless to say he didn't make a similar promise. That was the last church service I attended, some time in the early 1990s. Bloody cheek.

Oeditor · **#20** by **Oeditor** » Jun 03, 2011 6:12 pm

BTW I'm still working through the first of the links in Scot's sig. Coincidentally, I'm up to chapter 9 about Islam and Women where I've just come across this gem:

"And if ye wish to exchange one wife for another and ye have given unto one of them a sum of money (however great), take nothing from it. Would ye take it by the way of calumny and open wrong?" (Surah 4:20, Pickthal translation)

What this is saying is that it's alright for a Muslim man to dismiss one of his wives and replace her with another as long as he takes nothing from the dowry which he originally gave to obtain her as his wife. Essentially, this turns his former wife into nothing more than a glorified prostitute, and quite obviously can lead to the abuse of the system. This is shown in the life of Hassan, a grandson of Mohammed. Hassan, over the course of his life, had over seventy wives, yet never exceeded the four-wife limit at any one time. He would marry a woman during the day, enjoy her company for one or a few nights, and then divorce her so that he could marry another, all within the bounds of Islamic law.