What did Mohammed see?

z8000783 · #1 by **z8000783** » Jan 21, 2012 7:18 am

z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
HughMcB wrote:I was a Christian but then I saw the light!

Like Paul; he did not see any vision or light; or like Buddha who saw a truthful light and with his enlightenment the world is still benefitting or like Moses who saw a light from the Creator God.

What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

my_wan · #2 by **my_wan** » Jan 21, 2012 12:27 pm

Little girls.

paarsurrey · #3 by **paarsurrey** » Jan 21, 2012 12:28 pm

z8000783 wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
HughMcB wrote:I was a Christian but then I saw the light!

Like Paul; he did not see any vision or light; or like Buddha who saw a truthful light and with his enlightenment the world is still benefitting or like Moses who saw a light from the Creator God.

What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

z8000783 · #4 by **z8000783** » Jan 21, 2012 2:13 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:

Like Paul; he did not see any vision or light; or like Buddha who saw a truthful light and with his enlightenment the world is still benefitting or like Moses who saw a light from the Creator God.

What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

You tell me, you're the Muslim.

John

paarsurrey · #5 by **paarsurrey** » Jan 21, 2012 6:56 pm

z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

You tell me, you're the Muslim.

John

I wanted to know as to what concept people in the West have of Muhammad and Quran.

Muhammad could see with his eyes outwardly and with his inner wisdom; he had both.

Agrippina · #6 by **Agrippina** » Jan 21, 2012 7:06 pm

Bookmarking.

Shrunk · #7 by **Shrunk** » Jan 21, 2012 7:20 pm

paarsurrey wrote:I wanted to know as to what concept people in the West have of Muhammad and Quran.

Non-Muslims believe that Muhammed just made up the Quran himself, and either lied or was mistaken about it coming from God. And they're right, too.

z8000783 · #8 by **z8000783** » Jan 21, 2012 7:25 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

You tell me, you're the Muslim.

John

I wanted to know as to what concept people in the West have of Muhammad and Quran.

Muhammad could see with his eyes outwardly and with his inner wisdom; he had both.

I would be interested to know what you think he saw using whatever method was appropriate, when he had the Quran revealed to him.

John

laklak · #9 by **laklak** » Jan 21, 2012 7:28 pm

Monty Python?

Oeditor · **#10** by **Oeditor** » Jan 21, 2012 10:02 pm

Shrunk wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:I wanted to know as to what concept people in the West have of Muhammad and Quran.

Non-Muslims believe that Muhammed just made up the Quran himself, and either lied or was mistaken about it coming from God. And they're right, too.

Well, some believe he either was a much less important or well known Arab tribal chief or didn't exist at all. Either way, the koran and associated tales were made up in order to reinforce/justify Arab society and rulers some time later. Even Muslims, of course, recognise that the vast majority of hadiths were made up for just such reasons. Not just non-Muslims, either. A Muslim Professor of Islamic Studies came to the conclusion that Mo more likely than not never existed.

Mazille · **#11** by **Mazille** » Jan 21, 2012 11:43 pm

Oeditor wrote: A Muslim Professor of Islamic Studies came to the conclusion that Mo more likely than not never existed.

Shush.

The Historical Jesus thread is quite enough. Do you really want to open another can of gigantic, poisonous worms?

Oeditor · **#12** by **Oeditor** » Jan 22, 2012 12:08 am

Mazille wrote:
Oeditor wrote: A Muslim Professor of Islamic Studies came to the conclusion that Mo more likely than not never existed.

Shush. The Historical Jesus thread is quite enough. Do you really want to open another can of gigantic, poisonous worms?

Been there, done that. They pretty well died of starvation, though. :evilgrin:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/islam/qur-anic-origins-and-immutability-t3001.html

Agrippina · **#13** by **Agrippina** » Jan 22, 2012 6:20 am

Mazille wrote:
Oeditor wrote: A Muslim Professor of Islamic Studies came to the conclusion that Mo more likely than not never existed.

Shush. The Historical Jesus thread is quite enough. Do you really want to open another can of gigantic, poisonous worms?

It would certainly bring down some serious arguments if we did that.

I think he was just an opportunist. Some guy who saw an opportunity, took it and made a fortune out of it. He got to marry the boss's widow, added a few more young things into the mix and announced it was all allowed in a vision from "God." It's amazing what shit you can get superstitious people to believe when you tell them that it came from their particular form of superstition.

paarsurrey · **#14** by **paarsurrey** » Jan 23, 2012 8:04 pm

Agrippina wrote:Bookmarking.

I don't understand; please elaborate.

Mazille · **#15** by **Mazille** » Jan 23, 2012 8:09 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
Agrippina wrote:Bookmarking.

I don't understand; please elaborate.

A bookmark is a piece of material you put on the page of a book that you are reading, so that you don't lose the page when you close the book. Extending the concept, Aggi is putting a post in this thread, so it will show up in her "Your Posts" section.

cherries · **#16** by **cherries** » Jan 23, 2012 8:40 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:

Like Paul; he did not see any vision or light; or like Buddha who saw a truthful light and with his enlightenment the world is still benefitting or like Moses who saw a light from the Creator God.

What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

why don't you answer john,the question is pretty straightforward :dunno:

CdesignProponentsist · **#17** by **CdesignProponentsist** » Jan 23, 2012 8:51 pm

z8000783 wrote:
What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

An opportunity.

Oeditor · **#18** by **Oeditor** » Jan 23, 2012 9:00 pm

z8000783 wrote:What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

Jesus and the barmaid?

z8000783 · **#19** by **z8000783** » Jan 24, 2012 6:25 am

cherries wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
What did Mohammed see?

You are quite right, question moved.

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John

What is in your mind that he saw?

why don't you answer john,the question is pretty straightforward

Perhaps he didn't bookmark it.

John

z8000783 · **#20** by **z8000783** » Jan 24, 2012 6:26 am

What did Mohammed see when the Quran was revealed to him?

John