ERBIL-Hewlêr, Kurdistan region 'Iraq', — A mullah in Iraqi-Kurdistan talked in a Friday sermon about the new bill against domestic violence that passed the parliament of Iraqi Kurdistan in June.

This law also forbids the practice of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). Various clerics and members of Islamic groups started a campaign against this law and demand from the president of the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) Mr. Massoud Barzani not to sign the bill.

Of course she is a girl and will be encouraged in this bad world of today, she will have her mobile in front of her father flirting with boys and exchanging love phrases.. The father must sit cross handed in front of her, he must either kill himself if he has the least bit of honour left – saying that if he doesn’t do that he will lose his afterlife (…)- or he must assault his daughter who already has the numbers of the police stored on her mobile, calls this organization or that and complains that her father abuses her. The man will be put in jail for 6 months,www.ekurd.netand if the girl is not satisfied she can let him stay for 3 years and rot in jail. They will fine him 5 million ID. Is this the struggle for Kurdistan we are doing here? Is this the religion we have left? The situation is very dangerous but no one will follow you to the battlefield. The people don’t have guts. If the people do have courage I will be the first to block Barzani’s path. (….)

When a girl is taken — usually by her mother — to a free circumcision event held each spring in Bandung, Indonesia, she is handed over to a small group of women who, swiftly and yet with apparent affection, cut off a small piece of her genitals. Sponsored by the Assalaam Foundation, an Islamic educational and social-services organization, circumcisions take place in a prayer center or an emptied-out elementary-school classroom where desks are pushed together and covered with sheets and a pillow to serve as makeshift beds. The procedure takes several minutes. There is little blood involved. Afterward, the girl’s genital area is swabbed with the antiseptic Betadine. She is then helped back into her underwear and returned to a waiting area, where she’s given a small, celebratory gift — some fruit or a donated piece of clothing — and offered a cup of milk for refreshment. She has now joined a quiet majority in Indonesia, where, according to a 2003 study by the Population Council, an international research group, 96 percent of families surveyed reported that their daughters had undergone some form of circumcision by the time they reached 14.

bioeng wrote:While there is nothing in Islamic texts that encourages FGM,

ixolite wrote:

bioeng wrote:While there is nothing in Islamic texts that encourages FGM,

There is.

'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina.
The Prophet (pbuh) said to her:
Do not cut too severely
as that is better for a woman
and more desirable for a husband'."
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Shuggy wrote:"Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:

'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina.
The Prophet (pbuh) said to her:
Do not cut too severely
as that is better for a woman
and more desirable for a husband'."
1,8

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

katja z wrote:Well, it IS cultural. That some (well, quite a lot of) Muslims justify it in terms of their religion doesn't invalidate this statement. As bioeng said, nothing in their holy texts requires it, and indeed not all Muslim societies practice it. On the other hand, FGM is much, much older (there's evidence it was practiced in Ancient Egypt) and is today prevalent in both Muslim and non-Muslim societies (incl. among some Christians). It's also not confined to Africa and the Middle East as many think, but is (was?) traditionally practiced by some groups in South America and Australia.

bioeng wrote:I've heard an Islamist on another forum from Egypt argue that FGM is intended to "control the libido of women" to prevent immorality. While there is nothing in Islamic texts that encourages FGM, their obsession with regulating people's sexual "morality" leads many to resort to barbaric practices such as this. And as usual, the women are the ones being victimized.

What a bunch of savages.

sennekuyl wrote:

katja z wrote:Well, it IS cultural. That some (well, quite a lot of) Muslims justify it in terms of their religion doesn't invalidate this statement. As bioeng said, nothing in their holy texts requires it, and indeed not all Muslim societies practice it. On the other hand, FGM is much, much older (there's evidence it was practiced in Ancient Egypt) and is today prevalent in both Muslim and non-Muslim societies (incl. among some Christians). It's also not confined to Africa and the Middle East as many think, but is (was?) traditionally practiced by some groups in South America and Australia.

? Australia? Eh? I realise it happens here, but it has been illegal since the 90's and I'm not sure that it wasn't an extinct tradition for a little while before that amongst Aborigines. I can't find any concrete indication that has been practised by aborigines.

I think you'll find it is being imported here as much as it is in the UK et al.

Moonwatcher wrote:sexal immortality

bioeng wrote:A father will "lose his afterlife" if he doesn't assault his daughter for texting.

lordshipmayhem wrote:

bioeng wrote:A father will "lose his afterlife" if he doesn't assault his daughter for texting.

They're going to have to point out the line in the Koran that says girls shall not use their cell phones to text boys, lest their fathers try to breed with them. I don't seem to recall that one myself.