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#61  Postby scott1328 » Sep 22, 2017 10:12 pm

romansh wrote:
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The_Piper wrote:
Hyacinth [B]ucket, was that a pioneer of the floral industry?

It relates to a terrible British comedy program which I look down upon with disdain.
Likely available on a PBS near you.

Remember, Hyacinth's last name rhymes with croquet.

Why would you think I had forgotten?

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#62  Postby The_Piper » Sep 22, 2017 10:52 pm

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Hyacinth [B]ucket, was that a pioneer of the floral industry?

It relates to a terrible British comedy program which I look down upon with disdain.
Likely available on a PBS near you.

Remember, Hyacinth's last name rhymes with croquet.

I don't remember. Nor do I approve. :lol: Bu and cro don't rhyme.
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#63  Postby Fallible » Sep 23, 2017 8:47 am

It's a sign of her snobbery. Bucket is common and plain sounding, so she insists on it being pronounced like a bouquet of flowers.
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#64  Postby The_Piper » Sep 23, 2017 2:05 pm

Fallible wrote:It's a sign of her snobbery. Bucket is common and plain sounding, so she insists on it being pronounced like a bouquet of flowers.

:lol: :lol: I'll have to watch some of that again.
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#65  Postby crank » Sep 23, 2017 10:24 pm

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surreptitious57 wrote:I have just been watching Numberphile about British sayings that confuse Americans

2001 : We pronounce it Two Thousand And One. They pronounce it Two Thousand One
8844 : We pronounce it Double Eight Double Four. They pronounce it Eighty Eight Forty Four or Eight Eight Four Four

Americans living here do not understand how we can have single digit house numbers. How odd and even house numbers
are not always symmetrical. Why office blocks are very often called House and the address is written as One instead of I
And why we do not have a I00 Pound Note as they have a I00 Dollar Bil

I'd say Two thousand and one, eight thousand and forty four (some room for improvement there). We have single house numbers too. Instead of odds and evens on the same side, we have half-numbers and/or letters. Unless you meant that they skip numbers, in which ours do too. I'm a former mailman, I've seen it all when it comes to funny addresses. At least I hope I have. :rage: :dopey:
I don't know what you mean as office block, maybe cubicle. Americans in different parts of the country use different words and phrases too, it's not that difficult to understand. :lol:

I used to live in Orange County in Southern California where the whole area is a bunch of little towns that grew into each other. The streets have some strange jags to accommodate joining them between towns. Mostly the numbers have some consistency, but I had to go to an address where each side of a street had a different name and completely different numbers for blocks. It was very confusing.
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#66  Postby The_Piper » Sep 24, 2017 12:36 am

Yeah sometimes the building numbers and/or street names change at town lines. I've never encountered two "Active" names for the same street though.
An interesting thing, at the far northwestern corner of Maine, where it's entirely uninhabited logging forests, there is a Canadian town that spills over slightly into the US. It was considered Canada until a more accurate survey revealed that a number of houses and convenience store, are in Maine. Now the Maine side has a population of 4. In some houses, the international border runs right through the house, some have Canadian front yards and Maine backyards. There is an understanding that the residents can use their entire property without have to go through customs. There is a customs station there due to the Canadian logging trucks that get their logs from that Maine forest.
There was an incident with US Border patrol agents when they arrested someone going to the convenience store, and drove him all the way to Augusta to be booked, and did some time in jail because he was a felon in possession of a gun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estcourt_Station,_Maine#Michel_Jalbert_incident
(A detail that I love so much is that I can go into the woods here and get to that point over 100 miles away without ever seeing a paved road. :) )
Are thoses parentheses proper grammer?
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#67  Postby aban57 » Sep 24, 2017 8:14 am

The_Piper wrote:Yeah sometimes the building numbers and/or street names change at town lines. I've never encountered two "Active" names for the same street though.
An interesting thing, at the far northwestern corner of Maine, where it's entirely uninhabited logging forests, there is a Canadian town that spills over slightly into the US. It was considered Canada until a more accurate survey revealed that a number of houses and convenience store, are in Maine. Now the Maine side has a population of 4. In some houses, the international border runs right through the house, some have Canadian front yards and Maine backyards. There is an understanding that the residents can use their entire property without have to go through customs. There is a customs station there due to the Canadian logging trucks that get their logs from that Maine forest.
There was an incident with US Border patrol agents when they arrested someone going to the convenience store, and drove him all the way to Augusta to be booked, and did some time in jail because he was a felon in possession of a gun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estcourt_Station,_Maine#Michel_Jalbert_incident
(A detail that I love so much is that I can go into the woods here and get to that point over 100 miles away without ever seeing a paved road. :) )
Are thoses parentheses proper grammer?


You mean "grammar" ? :naughty2:
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Re: Do you accord ?

#68  Postby Fallible » Sep 24, 2017 8:20 am

In Britain it's convention to punctuate after the closed bracket, and not use a capital letter in it. :teef:
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#69  Postby BlackBart » Sep 24, 2017 9:23 am

Fallible wrote:It's a sign of her snobbery. Bucket is common and plain sounding, so she insists on it being pronounced like a bouquet of flowers.


Rather like 'Saint Reatham' and 'Pon-ge'. :shifty:
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#70  Postby surreptitious57 » Sep 24, 2017 9:59 am

Putting the full stop outside the bracket seems rather odd for it normally goes after the last word
It may be grammatically correct but it is aesthetically unpleasing and appears somewhat arbitrary
I agree though that there should be zero capitals inside them part from proper nouns or acronyms
I also prefer the straight ones to the curved ones which I no longer use
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#71  Postby Fallible » Sep 24, 2017 10:15 am

There isn't anything odd about it. Brackets are used to portion off a part of a sentence, but are still a part of that sentence, and therefore come before the full stop (or any other punctuation), signifying the end of the sentence. You agree there should be no capital letters, presumably because you realise that what happens within parentheses, and the bracket itself, is still a part of the sentence it resides within.
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#72  Postby aban57 » Sep 24, 2017 10:19 am

Fallible wrote:There isn't anything odd about it. Brackets are used to portion off a part of a sentence, but are still a part of that sentence, and therefore come before the full stop (or any other punctuation), signifying the end of the sentence. You agree there should be no capital letters, presumably because you realise that what happens within parentheses, and the bracket itself, is still a part of the sentence it resides within.


Unless what is in the brackets is a full sentence, in which case it starts with a capital and the full stop is also inside.
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#73  Postby The_Piper » Sep 24, 2017 3:44 pm

aban57 wrote:
The_Piper wrote:Yeah sometimes the building numbers and/or street names change at town lines. I've never encountered two "Active" names for the same street though.
An interesting thing, at the far northwestern corner of Maine, where it's entirely uninhabited logging forests, there is a Canadian town that spills over slightly into the US. It was considered Canada until a more accurate survey revealed that a number of houses and convenience store, are in Maine. Now the Maine side has a population of 4. In some houses, the international border runs right through the house, some have Canadian front yards and Maine backyards. There is an understanding that the residents can use their entire property without have to go through customs. There is a customs station there due to the Canadian logging trucks that get their logs from that Maine forest.
There was an incident with US Border patrol agents when they arrested someone going to the convenience store, and drove him all the way to Augusta to be booked, and did some time in jail because he was a felon in possession of a gun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estcourt_Station,_Maine#Michel_Jalbert_incident
(A detail that I love so much is that I can go into the woods here and get to that point over 100 miles away without ever seeing a paved road. :) )
Are thoses parentheses proper grammer?


You mean "grammar" ? :naughty2:
I misspelled it on purpose. :)
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#74  Postby crank » Sep 25, 2017 11:03 am

The brackets thing, who thinks there is a 'correct' answer? Who thinks, like any rational, intelligent, person would;), that it really doesn't matter and you should do it the way you think is best? Did I make 'proper' use of that bracket and semicolon? Should there be a space before or after, what about the comma? What if I'm writing it by hand?
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#75  Postby Fallible » Sep 25, 2017 12:08 pm

It doesn't matter. Or rather it wouldn't, if I didn't have some personal quirk which means I feel discomfort when I see such things not looking how I feel they are supposed to be. I don't know if it comes from my OCD or is more of an aspie trait, of which I exhibit a few. There are conventions, which is what I referred to above. It does genuinely cause me discomfort, by the way. I work voluntarily on a Monday in the local cancer ward, and they offer massage and various other things. So far I have managed not to ask them to change every instance where they have written or printed 'complimentary therapies' around the place, but I don't know if I can hold out much longer.
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#76  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 25, 2017 12:32 pm

Up till the 1930's you never found the number 13 of a street in Edinburgh.
Here even numbers are always on the left side of the street going out of town. Because our council areas are continuous the same street would start with one name and in the next council area have another often very similar starting with the number 1 again. The main road at the junction of my street is an example. Here in the Hague it is called Laan van Oostinde when it runs into Voorburg (the next council) it is called Laan van Oosteinde. Confusing?
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#77  Postby surreptitious57 » Sep 25, 2017 2:31 pm

I dont like making spelling mistakes even when making rough notes. I think that is me just being pedantic rather than OCD
But I am OCD about slang that be the coupling together of two words to make one. For example gimme instead of give me
I see that in a novel and I read it as the latter although I am trying to condition my brain into just reading words verbatim

The other thing that I am OCD about is the number of lines per page. I like mine to have a minimum of 35 although many do
not. More lines conveys the impression that the book is serious so worth reading but there be practical considerations too. I
wonder how much money the publishing industry would save if it had to publish a minimum number of lines per page. A 400
page novel with 30 lines per page for example would only have 343 pages if it was 35 lines per page. If that then becomes a
best seller selling 100 000 copies thats an extra 5 700 000 pages. What a colossal waste of paper that is. Publishing industry
is supposed to be one of the two most profligate in this respect [ law is the other ] Now one may say large font is better for
those with poor eyesight but I use a magnifying glass to read and I have no problem with that at all. I can not read books or
magazines with glasses just a computer screen. I have no idea why but does not bother me long as I can actually read them
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#78  Postby crank » Sep 26, 2017 7:09 am

Fallible wrote:It doesn't matter. Or rather it wouldn't, if I didn't have some personal quirk which means I feel discomfort when I see such things not looking how I feel they are supposed to be. I don't know if it comes from my OCD or is more of an aspie trait, of which I exhibit a few. There are conventions, which is what I referred to above. It does genuinely cause me discomfort, by the way. I work voluntarily on a Monday in the local cancer ward, and they offer massage and various other things. So far I have managed not to ask them to change every instance where they have written or printed 'complimentary therapies' around the place, but I don't know if I can hold out much longer.

'complimentary therapies' ? I'm too obtuse, what's the matter with this one?

If I had such strong reactions to seeing things that didn't look right, I'd commit suicide multiple times a day, just looking in the mirror would cause spontaneous human combustion. Many conventions are highly malleable, inconsistent in time and place, and illogical. How do you decide which conventions are OK and which aren't?
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#79  Postby Fallible » Sep 26, 2017 7:28 am

It's supposed to be spelt with an e, unless they are therapies which pay you compliments. I'm glad such things don't affect you. I have OCD, which means things which appear little to others have greater importance for me. I decide which conventions are ok and which aren't based on what I learnt is the 'correct' way at school and from home, where getting things just right was deemed more important than the substance. For example, we learn here that it's colour with a u, even though the u is not necessary to make oneself understood.
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#80  Postby juju7 » Sep 26, 2017 8:26 am

The_Piper wrote:BTW, what does do you accord mean?

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