Concept, meaning, reference (and related terms)
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nunnington wrote:Yes, it used to be one of the great rules in written English - don't start a sentence with 'and', but now it seems acceptable, as long as it follows on. And I think this is sensible. Hee hee hee.
But in conversation, it is one of the great fillers, which we use, to have a pause/think, rather like 'er'.
There are some interesting uses of it - e.g. emphatic 'and' - 'And the bastard never even thanked me for removing his condoms!'
Also interesting is 'And?', as a one word reply, meaning something like 'OK, what is the implication of what you have said, because so far, it seem a load of nonsense.'
I think a lot of focus has been on its use between clauses, where it conveys time and also a logical connection, e.g. 'he went in the park and fell over', 'he slipped on a banana skin and broke his leg'. Also interesting is its use with imperatives - 'do that, and I'll kill you'.
Agrippina wrote:
Don't make me laugh. "Empirical research!" If you were interested in empiricism, there wouldn't be so many threads where you argue with people about the origin of the universe.
seeker wrote:Agrippina wrote:
Don't make me laugh. "Empirical research!" If you were interested in empiricism, there wouldn't be so many threads where you argue with people about the origin of the universe.
It seems that you're confusing me with another person. I've never argued with people about the origin of the universe.
Agrippina wrote:seeker wrote:Agrippina wrote:seeker wrote:
Why not? It's a discipline that is doing some empirical research about those topics. I'm interested in empirical research about those topics.
Don't make me laugh. "Empirical research!" If you were interested in empiricism, there wouldn't be so many threads where you argue with people about the origin of the universe.
It seems that you're confusing me with another person. I've never argued with people about the origin of the universe.
Oooops! You're right. I apologise. My mistake.
Zwaarddijk wrote:the question how linguists define some thing is relevant if you want to understand what linguists are saying - any scholars will give definitions for various terms; or are you going to tell us to go to philosophers to learn what terms like "derivative" or "gradient" mean?
seeker wrote:Agrippina wrote:seeker wrote:Agrippina wrote:
Don't make me laugh. "Empirical research!" If you were interested in empiricism, there wouldn't be so many threads where you argue with people about the origin of the universe.
It seems that you're confusing me with another person. I've never argued with people about the origin of the universe.
Oooops! You're right. I apologise. My mistake.
OK. I want to clarify that I didn't want you to "go away" from the thread that I started. I think that your answers have been unnecessarily hostile, and that you were not understanding my question (which was not "how Wiki or OED define these words", but "how linguists use these words nowadays", specifically in several more complex cases). This is the reason why my question was addressed to linguists.
Agrippina wrote:
I have to admire people who are able to write fiction. While my writing for academic purposes is sometimes a little too
casual, when I write fiction, apart from having a really hard time thinking up stories, I forget that it is all about direct
speech, and write long, boring lectures
surreptitious57 wrote:And my one serious ambition was to be a journalist but I was not qualified so could not become one. But I admire those who appear to write so effortlessly and with passion and precision too. I wish I could but I know it is beyond me. And especially at my age [ I am forty nine ] But I do what I can.
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