Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

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Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#1  Postby Atheistoclast » Jan 08, 2013 3:04 pm

I found a recital of the Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon on Youtube:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blDM-ibezJQ[/youtube]

I managed to discern some of the words, but it does sound more like Dutch than English. The Anglo-Saxons, after all, were kinsmen of the Frisians who today inhabit part of the Netherlands and northwest Germany.

Anyway, it is interesting how the English language has changed over 1500 years and how much has also remained the same.
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#2  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 3:20 pm

Thanks for sharing! I've never heard the Lord's Prayer in Old English before. I did study a bit at uni, but it was mostly in connection with trying to work out what PIE might have sounded like.
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#3  Postby Shrunk » Jan 08, 2013 3:50 pm

My daughter's high school class is studying Beowulf. The husband of one of the teachers is doing his PhD in classics and will be reading part of it for them in the original Old English. That should be quite a treat.
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#4  Postby Atheistoclast » Jan 08, 2013 3:52 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Thanks for sharing! I've never heard the Lord's Prayer in Old English before. I did study a bit at uni, but it was mostly in connection with trying to work out what PIE might have sounded like.


Here are the words:

Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum;
Si þin nama gehalgod
to becume þin rice
gewurþe ðin willa
on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfele soþlice

The line in bold is basically modern English: "and forgive us our guilts". Notice that some words like "hlaf", i.e."loaf", have been replaced by "bread" etc in the modern version. The ge- prefix is used as it is in modern German (ge-halgod = hallowed).

Btw, I suspect listening to someone speaking Lithuanian is the closest you will get to PIE.
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#5  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 8:34 pm

Atheistoclast wrote:
Btw, I suspect listening to someone speaking Lithuanian is the closest you will get to PIE.


There are about 18 modern dialects that have very strong connections to PIE, but that's not a bad guess at all. I had a very interesting conversation with a Lithuanian a couple of years back where I tried to predict words in Lithuanian (I know nothing in the language) and the guy couldn't believe his ears.

One of the truly delightful things is that, aside from obvious words for things like sheep and saddles, nearly all European languages share a root in PIE for the word 'fart'! :lol:
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#6  Postby Animavore » Jan 08, 2013 8:38 pm

That's all fair enough but why does the guy have to sound like he's straining for a bowel movement.

Oh wait! Maybe that's why he's praying? I know I've been there a couple of times, hanging off the edge of a toilet seat, begging for mercy...





Nice find though.
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#7  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 8:39 pm

Animavore wrote:That's all fair enough but why does the guy have to sound like he's straining for a bowel movement.

Oh wait! Maybe that's why he's praying? I know I've been there a couple of times, hanging off the edge of a toilet seat, begging for mercy...
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#8  Postby Animavore » Jan 08, 2013 8:42 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Animavore wrote:That's all fair enough but why does the guy have to sound like he's straining for a bowel movement.

Oh wait! Maybe that's why he's praying? I know I've been there a couple of times, hanging off the edge of a toilet seat, begging for mercy...
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He's been dead 1200 years - cut him some slack!

Probably trying to pass motes of dust through a mummified rectum! :shock:
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#9  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 08, 2013 8:59 pm

Question to make me less dumb: PIE?
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#10  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 9:09 pm

Onyx8 wrote:Question to make me less dumb: PIE?


Proto-indo-european.

Basically, the nomadic tribal hordes from steppes north of the Caucasus descended in successive waves on the early European agriculturalists (and into Western & Central Asia, and S. Siberia) some time around the middle to late Neolithic, conquering and ultimately settling down and interbreeding. They brought saddles with them and er sheep, lots of sheep, and various other proto-technologies I can't think of right now :lol: , but also left traces in the descendent languages that spread throughout Europe.

The language is all reconstructed from those other languages and the occasional similarities in vocabulary between such disparate places as India and Spain (through Sanskrit and Basque) and the very occasional piece of archaeological evidence.

It's a blooming fascinating time but rather murky.
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#11  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 08, 2013 9:13 pm

This is really cool, though I also wish he wasn't saying it like he was trying out for Dimmu Borgir.
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#12  Postby Animavore » Jan 08, 2013 9:15 pm

Is that a bowel movement competition? :scratch:
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#13  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 9:15 pm

The solid wheel! That was one of them! lol

Oh and the bastards were probably the ones to first promote a Sky Pappy.
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#14  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 08, 2013 9:16 pm

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#15  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 08, 2013 9:30 pm

Animavore wrote:Is that a bowel movement competition? :scratch:

It's a bowel movement from 1997 that wishes it was from 1987.
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#16  Postby NamelessFaceless » Jan 08, 2013 9:32 pm

Sounds like Klingon to me. :dopey:
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#17  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 08, 2013 9:45 pm

Thanks as always, I should have remembered that.
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#18  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jan 08, 2013 10:26 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZoGfZ-3ChA[/youtube]
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#19  Postby Jumbo » Jan 08, 2013 11:37 pm

Shrunk wrote:My daughter's high school class is studying Beowulf. The husband of one of the teachers is doing his PhD in classics and will be reading part of it for them in the original Old English. That should be quite a treat.


Reading that reminds me of this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y13cES7MMd8[/youtube]

You can pick out the occasion bit here and there as similar to either modern English or German.
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Re: Lord's Prayer in Anglo-Saxon

#20  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 09, 2013 1:24 am

In school we were first introduced to Chaucer in the language/dialect {what is it called} that he wrote it in. It was quite fun trying to work out what it meant.

Then even funnier, as 11 year old boys, to find out it had words like 'fart' and 'cunt' in it.
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