The definition of a "mental disorder."

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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#61  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 06, 2018 8:08 pm

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Keep It Real wrote:Suggestions for a better definition?


How about this - any thought or behaviour which the majority of local society considers to be maladaptive.


I said (a couple of times) to my lady friend earlier today that this redefinition is my crowning achievement to date.
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#62  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 06, 2018 8:21 pm

That's incredibly sad.
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#63  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 06, 2018 10:59 pm

:considers posting yet another Idiocracy clip:
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#64  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 06, 2018 11:24 pm

Go ahead, it'll be just as meaningless to anyone but you as all the others.
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#65  Postby Corneel » Mar 10, 2018 12:24 am

So WTF has this to do with linguistics?
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#66  Postby John Platko » Mar 10, 2018 3:14 am

Corneel wrote:So WTF has this to do with linguistics?


:scratch: Maybe ...

lin·guis·tics
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noun
noun: linguistics
the scientific study of language and its structure, including the study of morphology, syntax, phonetics, and semantics. Specific branches of linguistics include sociolinguistics, dialectology, psycholinguistics, computational linguistics, historical-comparative linguistics, and applied linguistics.
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#67  Postby Keep It Real » Jul 21, 2018 6:05 pm

Had a thought yesterday, and this is probably as good a thread for it as any.

Is it possible for a psychopath to be an "cunt"?
Is it possible for somebody with Down Syndrome to be a "moron"?
Is it possible for somebody with Asperger's to be a "asshole"?
Is it possible for somebody with bipolar to be "nutty as a fruitcake"?
Is it possible for somebody with an IQ of 80 to be an "idiot"?
Is it possible for a pathological liar to be "full of shit"?
Is it possible for an addict to be "irresponsible"?

etc etc etc

Seems to me that once somebody is labelled as being "defective" all is forgiven, and yet in what way are non-labelled/diagnosed neural patterns which result in maladaptive thought/behaviour any more deserving of hostile and/or derogatory terminology? Beats me...
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#68  Postby felltoearth » Jul 22, 2018 3:32 am

A diagnosis isn’t a label as it says nothing about the person on the whole.
A person with Aspergers can be just as much an asshole as a paraplegic. There is no measure for “asshole.” It’s an adjective not a pathology.
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#69  Postby surreptitious57 » Jul 22, 2018 5:35 am

Terms found in the psychological or medical literature are descriptions of conditions
while derogatory ones are more descriptions of the actual person with the condition

Calling a psychopath a cunt for example tells you absolutely nothing at all about their psychopathy
It is also unreliable as it will be based upon the subjective interpretation of the one using the term

Psychologists and psychiatrists tend to operate to a more rigorous standard of classification as they are doctors
and therefore understand the scientific method. There are for example 22 different classifications for criminal
psychopathy. There are not 22 classifications for cunt even though like many things it also exists on a spectrum
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#70  Postby zoon » Jul 22, 2018 9:03 am

Keep It Real wrote:Had a thought yesterday, and this is probably as good a thread for it as any.

Is it possible for a psychopath to be an "cunt"?
Is it possible for somebody with Down Syndrome to be a "moron"?
Is it possible for somebody with Asperger's to be a "asshole"?
Is it possible for somebody with bipolar to be "nutty as a fruitcake"?
Is it possible for somebody with an IQ of 80 to be an "idiot"?
Is it possible for a pathological liar to be "full of shit"?
Is it possible for an addict to be "irresponsible"?

etc etc etc

Seems to me that once somebody is labelled as being "defective" all is forgiven, and yet in what way are non-labelled/diagnosed neural patterns which result in maladaptive thought/behaviour any more deserving of hostile and/or derogatory terminology? Beats me...

A matter of compatibilist free will? All of us at one time or another are liable to behave in cuntish, moronic, etc ways. For those of us with normal, healthy wiring in the brain, being told we are behaving in those ways, i.e. being called names, is likely to bring about an improvement in behaviour, we are being threatened with group sanctions. Calling people names often works as a deterrent. By contrast, for people with Down's Syndrome, Asperger's etc., no amount of calling names will bring about a change in behaviour, these people have the misfortune to be incapable of the types of highly complex self-control needed to behave otherwise. As a result of their condition, people with Down's Syndrome, Asperger's etc are unlikely to achieve the high status or well-paying jobs which remain open to the normal person who changes their ways after being called names. Since calling them names doesn't work as a deterrent, it's merely pointless and cruel. ?
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Re: The definition of a "mental disorder."

#71  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 22, 2018 9:29 am

zoon wrote:For those of us with normal, healthy wiring in the brain, being told we are behaving in those ways, i.e. being called names, is likely to bring about an improvement in behaviour, we are being threatened with group sanctions.


Depends on who's doing it. Anyone with healthy wiring will pay no attention to some isolated, closed-off gink whose sole pleasure in life seems to be finger-wagging about other people's supposed naughtiness (or, gasp! cuntishness!)

zoon wrote:By contrast, for people with Down's Syndrome, Asperger's etc., no amount of calling names will bring about a change in behaviour, these people have the misfortune to be incapable of the types of highly complex self-control needed to behave otherwise.


One almost wishes there was a Ninth Circle of Hell and a reserved place therein for those few benighted souls whose hobby is standing on a soapbox and pointing out the obvious. Calling those people cunts doesn't really help anyone but their victims.

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