Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

In our civil calendar week, why wasn't Sunday renamed by Christians in English?

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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#21  Postby gleniedee » Oct 08, 2011 11:14 pm

Sorry to be noodge,but Sunday is the first day of the week.Saturday is the seventh and remains the Sabbath..


The full article linked below is worth a glance..

This paper, of course is a hot potato today with Sunday so well established in Christendom. Sunday was well established as the day of worship before The United States of America was organized. It was 574 years old when the Declaration of Independence was penned in 1776. What you say! Wasn’t Sunday declared in the New Testament? My answer is, of course, no Sunday wasn’t established in the New Testament, in fact, it is not declared anywhere in the Bible. There are some references to the believers meeting on the first day of the week. Here it is called "the first day of the week" and not Sunday.



http://www.mayimhayim.org/Rabbi%20Mike/ ... rticle.htm

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There are many Sabbatarian groups that trace this event to Constantine in 321 A.D. and the council of Laodicea held in 364 A.D. In changing the Sabbath day of worship to Sunday. In the 4th cent. Sunday was declared to be the day of rest and worship. This does not mean Constantine changed the Sabbath day to Sunday, the Sabbath is still Saturday.



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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#22  Postby Mazille » Oct 08, 2011 11:19 pm

Actually, by ISO standard the first day of the week is Monday.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#23  Postby Kuia » Oct 08, 2011 11:20 pm

gleniedee wrote:Sorry to be noodge,but Sunday is the first day of the week.Saturday is the seventh and remains the Sabbath..
Sunday is only the first day of the week by convention. There is nothing inherent in the universe that makes it so. Just as January 1st is only the first day of the year by convention. `
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#24  Postby akigr8 » Oct 08, 2011 11:27 pm

Mazille wrote:Washing day? That's cute. :)

Washing/bathing day. The Vikings needed a washing day after pilfering all week long. ;)
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#25  Postby Onyx8 » Oct 08, 2011 11:39 pm

I sometimes wash midweek too.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#26  Postby akigr8 » Oct 08, 2011 11:42 pm

Onyx8 wrote:I sometimes wash midweek too.

:what: :crazy:



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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#27  Postby Onyx8 » Oct 08, 2011 11:45 pm

Girl.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#28  Postby akigr8 » Oct 09, 2011 12:04 am

Damn be the women who makes us wash twice a week. :lay:
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#29  Postby Mazille » Oct 09, 2011 12:30 am

akigr8 wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:I sometimes wash midweek too.

:what: :crazy:



Why would you do that?

Seriously. That just makes your skin thin. :nono:
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#30  Postby Globe » Oct 09, 2011 11:12 am

monkeyboy wrote:I'm pretty sure all our days are named for pagan gods or objects of worship.

Monday- Moon day
Tuesday -Escapes me for the moment. Tyr's Day (Tyr was the norse god of war)
Wednesday- Woden's day
Thursday- Thor's day
Friday- Freya's day
Saturday- Saturn's day
Sunday- kind of obvious really.

I like that we've stuck to the old ways rather than pander to Xian nonesense.


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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#31  Postby Mazille » Oct 09, 2011 11:14 am

You're getting slow, Globe. :smoke:
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#32  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 09, 2011 11:22 am

Kuia wrote:
gleniedee wrote:Sorry to be noodge,but Sunday is the first day of the week.Saturday is the seventh and remains the Sabbath..
Sunday is only the first day of the week by convention. There is nothing inherent in the universe that makes it so. Just as January 1st is only the first day of the year by convention. `


Mabye where you are but here Maandag has always been the beginning of the week.
Zaterdag was a half a normal working day (even schools were open) and Zondag was the only real freeday. Mind you going to church three times did not give you much "free"time.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#33  Postby redwhine » Oct 09, 2011 5:16 pm

Clive Durdle wrote:Is Christ Mass the only reference?


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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#34  Postby Saim » Oct 09, 2011 11:49 pm

Weaver wrote:Tuesday is from the Norse god Tyr, which got changed to the Germanic god Tiu.

While you almost have it right, keep in mind that the Norse were Germanic. The North Germanic (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish) and West Germanic (English, Dutch, German) languages have a much closer common ancestor than the one they share with other Indo-European languages (like Spanish, Hindi, Russian and Persian).

Hence, the proto-Germanic "Tiwaz" (reconstructed, not attested) became the Old Norse "Tyr", the Anglo-Saxon/Old English "Tiw" and the Old High German "Ziu". Interestingly, "Jupiter", "Zeus" and "Deva" are also cognate, but more distantly.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#35  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Oct 10, 2011 4:22 pm

CIS wrote:...English uses mostly Norse gods with the exception of Saturn for Saturday, but that day itself may have been directly named for the planet instead of the god.

I'd strongly suspect it was the god.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#36  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Oct 10, 2011 4:24 pm

gleniedee wrote:Sorry to be noodge,but Sunday is the first day of the week.Saturday is the seventh and remains the Sabbath..


The full article linked below is worth a glance..

This paper, of course is a hot potato today with Sunday so well established in Christendom. Sunday was well established as the day of worship before The United States of America was organized. It was 574 years old when the Declaration of Independence was penned in 1776. What you say! Wasn’t Sunday declared in the New Testament? My answer is, of course, no Sunday wasn’t established in the New Testament, in fact, it is not declared anywhere in the Bible. There are some references to the believers meeting on the first day of the week. Here it is called "the first day of the week" and not Sunday.



http://www.mayimhayim.org/Rabbi%20Mike/ ... rticle.htm

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There are many Sabbatarian groups that trace this event to Constantine in 321 A.D. and the council of Laodicea held in 364 A.D. In changing the Sabbath day of worship to Sunday. In the 4th cent. Sunday was declared to be the day of rest and worship. This does not mean Constantine changed the Sabbath day to Sunday, the Sabbath is still Saturday.



http://www.letusreason.org/7thad18.htm

Does any of this matter? If we all wish to think of Monday as the first day of the week, then it is.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#37  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 10, 2011 4:44 pm

Here as I have said officially it is the first day of the week!
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#38  Postby tuco » Oct 10, 2011 5:20 pm

In Czech: Neděle from nedělati; ne - not/no, dělat(i) - to do/to work.

When the Lord came from grave .. too bad he did not do it at least 3 times a week. Though it was probably Romans who enforced it as a rest day and allowed only such leisure activities as freeing slaves.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#39  Postby spin » Dec 03, 2011 6:59 pm

The structure of the week can be found described in Dio Cassius 37.19. The hours had names following the "planets" in the order:

    Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon

These were repeated throughout the day such that the first day had 24 hours thus:

Saturn
Jupiter
Mars
Sun
Venus
Mercury
Moon
Saturn
Jupiter
Mars
Sun
Venus
Mercury
Moon
Saturn
Jupiter
Mars
Sun
Venus
Mercury
Moon
Saturn
Jupiter
Mars

The next hour was that of the sun which started the next day and cycling through the hours the first hour of the third day is that of the moon and so on, giving us the current order of our day names, when translated with the appropriate god names.

This shows that the original name of the day of the sun was just that, dies solis, and that's where Sunday in English comes from. The upshot is that dimanche and domenica represent a much later change. The first recorded use of dimanche was in the 12 c.
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Re: Why does English use "Sunday" instead of "Lord's Day"?

#40  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 03, 2011 7:18 pm

Incidentally, Thai language also seems to follow the celestial bodies - probably from Sanskrit, I would guess.

Putting them in English script:

Monday = Wan Jan (Moon)
Tuesday = Wan Angkarn (Mars)
Wednesday = Wan Poot (Mercury)
Thursday = Wan Pha-reu-hat (Jupiter)
Friday = Wan Suk (Venus)
Saturday = Wan Sao (Saturn)
Sunday = Wan Aathit (Sun)
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