The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#221  Postby scott1328 » Nov 11, 2018 9:41 pm

Did you mean: “I don’t give you the money back.”
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#222  Postby The_Piper » Nov 11, 2018 10:16 pm

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scherado wrote:
The_Piper wrote:...
This basket has 6 apples. I would like to divide them between Jimmy and Johnny. So I divide 6 by two people. Jimmy and Johnny each get 3 apples.
This basket has 11 apples. I would like to divide the apples between no one. 11 apples divided by no people equals 11 apples.

I appreciate that. I thank you for the attempt to explain.

When you decided that you would like to "divide the apples between no one," you decided to do NOTHING. No operation is performed. There is a great difference between the classroom and real world. This: "11 apples divided by no people equals 11 apples" never occurred.

Would you fill out a withdrawal slip to get money out of your bank account and put 0 as the amount to be withdrawn? The teller would hand the slip back to you--no operation (withdrawal) is performed.

Do you know what I'm going to have to do now? I'm going to have to start a thread to "deconstruct" the old, reliable "2 + 2" violation accusation. Oh yes. If you think I've contributed nothing now, wait until you see that thread!
Yes, as dividing by zero in the real world means that no division was done. Baskets of apples exist in the real world, and people do divide them up. If no one wanted apples that day, then the 11 apples were divided among zero people, and the basket still has 11 apples in it.

Do you realize that nothing was added? You should have wrote, "I know you are, but what am i?

You know I am but what are you?
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#223  Postby scherado » Nov 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Thommo wrote:Yes indeed. Here I am. :scratch:

ETA: Did I dream it, or when I started replying did that post say less than it does now? :ask:

Yes, I did forget to reference the money that you did not get.

Fatuity on parade: "Here, take this zero."
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#224  Postby Thommo » Nov 11, 2018 11:02 pm

scherado wrote:
Thommo wrote:Yes indeed. Here I am. :scratch:

ETA: Did I dream it, or when I started replying did that post say less than it does now? :ask:

Yes, I did forget to reference the money that you did not get.

Fatuity on parade: "Here, take this zero."


I mean, you do know I didn't say that* right?

* "Here, take this zero." or anything that means the same or implies it.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#225  Postby laklak » Nov 12, 2018 12:03 am

Fallible wrote:Written.


Word.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#226  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 5:42 am

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Every day, I don't give 7,000,000,000 people apples.


Furthermore, if you have some ice cream, I shall give it to you; if you have no ice cream, I shall take it from you. This is an ice cream koan. I saw it in a Koan brothers film.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#227  Postby hackenslash » Nov 12, 2018 10:07 am

:lol:
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#228  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 10:34 am

hackenslash wrote::lol:


What? You've never come across that old chestnut? You must travel to the Dagoba system and learn the ways of the fortune program. It's BetterThanYoda™.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#229  Postby scherado » Nov 12, 2018 2:09 pm

Another thing I remember from college-days is that multiplication is addition by a different name: 7 x 3 = 7 + 7 + 7.

For division, we have subtraction by a different name: For 6/2, we subtract 2 from 6, take the reduced value and repeat UNTIL we either reach 0 or there's not enough remaining; count the number of iterations:

6 - 2 = 4
4 - 2 = 2
2 - 2 = 0

3 times we subtracted 2: 6/2 = 3

Now, do the same for 3/0:

3 - 0 = 3
3 - 0 = 3 ...

Infinite iterations.

There's that pesky infinity, again. (Not whistling Dixie.)
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#230  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 2:17 pm

scherado wrote:Another thing I remember from college-days is that multiplication is addition by a different name: 7 x 3 = 7 + 7 + 7.

For division, we have subtraction by a different name: For 6/2, we subtract 2 from 6, take the reduced value and repeat UNTIL we either reach 0 or there's not enough remaining; count the number of iterations:

6 - 2 = 4
4 - 2 = 2
2 - 2 = 0

3 times we subtracted 2: 6/2 = 3

Now, do the same for 3/0:

3 - 0 = 3
3 - 0 = 3 ...

Infinite iterations.

There's that pesky infinity, again. (Not whistling Dixie.)


It's as if to say that integers are the only mathematical objects.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#231  Postby scott1328 » Nov 12, 2018 2:17 pm

scherado wrote:Another thing I remember from college-days is that multiplication is addition by a different name: 7 x 3 = 7 + 7 + 7.

For division, we have subtraction by a different name: For 6/2, we subtract 2 from 6, take the reduced value and repeat UNTIL we either reach 0 or there's not enough remaining; count the number of iterations:

6 - 2 = 4
4 - 2 = 2
2 - 2 = 0

3 times we subtracted 2: 6/2 = 3

Now, do the same for 3/0:

3 - 0 = 3
3 - 0 = 3 ...

Infinite iterations.

There's that pesky infinity, again. (Not whistling Dixie.)

You learned THAT in college? Must be University of Florida.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#232  Postby scott1328 » Nov 12, 2018 2:18 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
scherado wrote:Another thing I remember from college-days is that multiplication is addition by a different name: 7 x 3 = 7 + 7 + 7.

For division, we have subtraction by a different name: For 6/2, we subtract 2 from 6, take the reduced value and repeat UNTIL we either reach 0 or there's not enough remaining; count the number of iterations:

6 - 2 = 4
4 - 2 = 2
2 - 2 = 0

3 times we subtracted 2: 6/2 = 3

Now, do the same for 3/0:

3 - 0 = 3
3 - 0 = 3 ...

Infinite iterations.

There's that pesky infinity, again. (Not whistling Dixie.)


It's as if to say that integers are the only mathematical objects.

God created the Natural Numbers, all the rest are the work of man.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#233  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 2:20 pm

scott1328 wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
scherado wrote:Another thing I remember from college-days is that multiplication is addition by a different name: 7 x 3 = 7 + 7 + 7.

For division, we have subtraction by a different name: For 6/2, we subtract 2 from 6, take the reduced value and repeat UNTIL we either reach 0 or there's not enough remaining; count the number of iterations:

6 - 2 = 4
4 - 2 = 2
2 - 2 = 0

3 times we subtracted 2: 6/2 = 3

Now, do the same for 3/0:

3 - 0 = 3
3 - 0 = 3 ...

Infinite iterations.

There's that pesky infinity, again. (Not whistling Dixie.)


It's as if to say that integers are the only mathematical objects.

God created the Natural Numbers, all the rest are the work of man.


Can I count on that?
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#234  Postby Evolving » Nov 12, 2018 2:22 pm

On the rationals, yes. :)
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#235  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 2:25 pm

Evolving wrote:On the rationals, yes. :)


Not around here. The rationals are few and far between. If we are real, that is.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#236  Postby scherado » Nov 12, 2018 2:25 pm

scott1328 wrote:... God created the Natural Numbers, all the rest are the work of man.

What's the reason God did not create circular orbits? (This question assumes that there is NOT one circular orbit in the Universe, which, I'm certain, we can "count" on.)
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#237  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 2:29 pm

scherado wrote:
scott1328 wrote:... God created the Natural Numbers, all the rest are the work of man.

What's the reason God did not create circular orbits? (This question assumes that there is NOT one circular orbit in the Universe, which, I'm certain, we can "count" on.)


Circular orbits don't demand integers or rationals. They only demand that the semimajor and semiminor axes are the same. You are pointing out that 'the same' is not applicable in astrophysics. That is, reals are not an equality type, and should not be compared in logical expressions that need to yield true or false.

You started out with a concept that requires approximation in the general case.
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#238  Postby Evolving » Nov 12, 2018 2:31 pm

Thé Earth’s orbit is very close to circular, compared to other planets.
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#239  Postby newolder » Nov 12, 2018 2:32 pm

scherado wrote:
scott1328 wrote:... God created the Natural Numbers, all the rest are the work of man.

What's the reason God did not create circular orbits? (This question assumes that there is NOT one circular orbit in the Universe, which, I'm certain, we can "count" on.)

The innermost stable orbit of a non-rotating, gravitational black hole, for a massless photon, is circular with a radius 1.5xSchwarzschild, iirc. :think:

But the reason you seek is that there is no evidence for the existence of any god at any time, anywhere.

Edit: Checked the number and it's 1.5 R[sub]s{/sub]
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Re: The Reason For The Proscription Against Division By Zero

#240  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 12, 2018 2:34 pm

Evolving wrote:Thé Earth’s orbit is very close to circular, compared to other planets.


Shall I compare the orbit of the earth to a summer's day?
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