Aluminum and health

orpheus · **#21** by **orpheus** » Nov 24, 2011 12:12 am

But I love my Nespresso! :whine:

Scot Dutchy · **#22** by **Scot Dutchy** » Nov 24, 2011 8:01 am

orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

rainbow · **#23** by **rainbow** » Nov 24, 2011 9:43 am

orpheus wrote:Hi all,

My wife and I got a Nespresso machine as a gift. For those who don't know, this is an easy-for-dummies-delicious-espresso-every-time machine. It pumps high-pressure and high temperature water through small disposable aluminum capsules that contain the coffee. I should say this - it really works. I was skeptical, but it is remarkably easy and makes great espresso every time.

But we've heard that ingesting even very small amounts of aluminum can be harmful (e.g., that there's some evidence linking it to Alzheimer's). The recommendation is that one shouldn't cook with aluminum saucepans, for instance.

So I'm concerned about using these aluminum capsules - several every day. Is there any truth to this?

No truth at all.

8% of the world's crust is aluminium.
It is everywhere.
If it were toxic we'd all be dead.

trubble76 · **#24** by **trubble76** » Nov 24, 2011 9:50 am

rainbow wrote:
orpheus wrote:Hi all,

My wife and I got a Nespresso machine as a gift. For those who don't know, this is an easy-for-dummies-delicious-espresso-every-time machine. It pumps high-pressure and high temperature water through small disposable aluminum capsules that contain the coffee. I should say this - it really works. I was skeptical, but it is remarkably easy and makes great espresso every time.

But we've heard that ingesting even very small amounts of aluminum can be harmful (e.g., that there's some evidence linking it to Alzheimer's). The recommendation is that one shouldn't cook with aluminum saucepans, for instance.

So I'm concerned about using these aluminum capsules - several every day. Is there any truth to this?

No truth at all.

8% of the world's crust is aluminium.
It is everywhere.
If it were toxic we'd all be dead.

I'm not sure that your logic is very strong here. For example, sodium makes up a little less than 3% of the Earth's crust. That can be pretty deadly. Or it can be absolutely necessary, it depends how you look at it.

rainbow · **#25** by **rainbow** » Nov 24, 2011 9:58 am

trubble76 wrote:I'm not sure that your logic is very strong here. For example, sodium makes up a little less than 3% of the Earth's crust. That can be pretty deadly. Or it can be absolutely necessary, it depends how you look at it.

Not really.
No.
Have a swin in the sea. Full of sodium, it is.
Plenty of sodium in your blood too.

Metallic sodium is not found in nature and is only dangerous because it is reactive. Aluminium metal is very unreactive.

trubble76 · **#26** by **trubble76** » Nov 24, 2011 10:05 am

rainbow wrote:
trubble76 wrote:I'm not sure that your logic is very strong here. For example, sodium makes up a little less than 3% of the Earth's crust. That can be pretty deadly. Or it can be absolutely necessary, it depends how you look at it.

Not really.
No.
Have a swin in the sea. Full of sodium, it is.
Plenty of sodium in your blood too.

Metallic sodium is not found in nature and is only dangerous because it is reactive. Aluminium metal is very unreactive.

Wikipedia wrote:Aluminium metal is too reactive chemically to occur natively. Instead, it is found combined in over 270 different minerals

The_Metatron · **#27** by **The_Metatron** » Nov 24, 2011 10:07 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

I don't love orpheus' Nespresso. He's never made a cup of it for me. Of course, I wouldn't want to deal with all that aluminum.

Scot Dutchy · **#28** by **Scot Dutchy** » Nov 24, 2011 10:20 am

The_Metatron wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

I don't love orpheus' Nespresso. He's never made a cup of it for me. Of course, I wouldn't want to deal with all that aluminum.

Nespresso have declared that no aluminium is disolved when using the capsules. Other coffee makes are making plastic capsules but the quality of the coffee is not so good. There is no patent on the capsules anymore.
The front of the capsule is tin foil.

orpheus · **#29** by **orpheus** » Nov 24, 2011 2:37 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

I don't love orpheus' Nespresso. He's never made a cup of it for me. Of course, I wouldn't want to deal with all that aluminum.

Oversight on my part. Apologies from the Management. Next time you're in New York, espresso is on me*. As well as free popcorn, of course.

*I'm serious about that. Let me know if you're coming to the Big Apple and we'll get together.

orpheus · **#30** by **orpheus** » Nov 24, 2011 2:38 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

Ah, Volluto. That's our usual one. I know I once tried Roma, but I can't recall what it's like.

Animavore · **#31** by **Animavore** » Nov 24, 2011 2:45 pm

When I used to smoke illicit substances from makeshift pipes made by puncturing pin-holes in the side of Coke cans I heard this. Though the guy said specifically it was from smoking from aluminium as the burning released all the 'chemicals' and you inhale them. Well I guess that's how these stories go, changing gradually over time and becoming more personalised and specific to the audience.

The_Metatron · **#32** by **The_Metatron** » Nov 24, 2011 2:55 pm

orpheus wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

I don't love orpheus' Nespresso. He's never made a cup of it for me. Of course, I wouldn't want to deal with all that aluminum.

Oversight on my part. Apologies from the Management. Next time you're in New York, espresso is on me*. As well as free popcorn, of course.
*I'm serious about that. Let me know if you're coming to the Big Apple and we'll get together.

Likewise, should you find yourself in Belgium. Even though I use an old fashioned American percolator, we grind the beans freshly and it makes a fine coffee.

All steel pot!

laklak · **#33** by **laklak** » Nov 24, 2011 3:03 pm

Ah, you espresso n00bs, get one of these babies:

Scot Dutchy · **#34** by **Scot Dutchy** » Nov 24, 2011 3:04 pm

orpheus wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
orpheus wrote:But I love my Nespresso!

So do I.
Just having a cup of Volluto. Roma is next.

Ah, Volluto. That's our usual one. I know I once tried Roma, but I can't recall what it's like.

Roma is one of stronger blends. It is 8 on the strength scale. Can be drunk as a risretto (25 mls. 0.85 onz.) or an espresso (40 mls. 1.35 onz.). I drink the espresso.

Scot Dutchy · **#35** by **Scot Dutchy** » Nov 24, 2011 3:05 pm

Lak I dont drink THAT much coffee. :lol:

rainbow · **#36** by **rainbow** » Nov 25, 2011 6:33 am

Animavore wrote:When I used to smoke illicit substances from makeshift pipes made by puncturing pin-holes in the side of Coke cans I heard this. Though the guy said specifically it was from smoking from aluminium as the burning released all the 'chemicals' and you inhale them. Well I guess that's how these stories go, changing gradually over time and becoming more personalised and specific to the audience.

The chemicals come from the illicit substances, not the can.

trubble76 · **#37** by **trubble76** » Nov 25, 2011 9:52 am

rainbow wrote:
Animavore wrote:When I used to smoke illicit substances from makeshift pipes made by puncturing pin-holes in the side of Coke cans I heard this. Though the guy said specifically it was from smoking from aluminium as the burning released all the 'chemicals' and you inhale them. Well I guess that's how these stories go, changing gradually over time and becoming more personalised and specific to the audience.

The chemicals come from the illicit substances, not the can.

We are 100% made of chemicals. Every piece of food you have ever eaten is made of chemicals. If you have children you will be surrounding them and filling them with chemicals all day, every day.
Just saying.

rainbow · **#38** by **rainbow** » Nov 25, 2011 2:14 pm

trubble76 wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Animavore wrote:When I used to smoke illicit substances from makeshift pipes made by puncturing pin-holes in the side of Coke cans I heard this. Though the guy said specifically it was from smoking from aluminium as the burning released all the 'chemicals' and you inhale them. Well I guess that's how these stories go, changing gradually over time and becoming more personalised and specific to the audience.

The chemicals come from the illicit substances, not the can.

We are 100% made of chemicals. Every piece of food you have ever eaten is made of chemicals. If you have children you will be surrounding them and filling them with chemicals all day, every day.
Just saying.

Indeed.
Also our water is laced with Protium Hydroxide.
Government agencies pump millions of tons of this industrial solvent into our water supplies.

orpheus · **#39** by **orpheus** » Nov 25, 2011 2:42 pm

trubble76 wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Animavore wrote:When I used to smoke illicit substances from makeshift pipes made by puncturing pin-holes in the side of Coke cans I heard this. Though the guy said specifically it was from smoking from aluminium as the burning released all the 'chemicals' and you inhale them. Well I guess that's how these stories go, changing gradually over time and becoming more personalised and specific to the audience.

The chemicals come from the illicit substances, not the can.

We are 100% made of chemicals. Every piece of food you have ever eaten is made of chemicals. If you have children you will be surrounding them and filling them with chemicals all day, every day.
Just saying.

Oh horror of horrors! Won't someone think of the children?!

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