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Re: Fear not!

#21  Postby Fallible » Dec 15, 2017 11:25 am

:nod:
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She revelled in adventure and imagination.
She never listened to no hater, liar,
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Re: Fear not!

#22  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 15, 2017 11:32 am

You're all members of my band, Jenny and the Avatars.
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Re: Fear not!

#23  Postby Fallible » Dec 15, 2017 11:33 am

I like that. Sounds gay.
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Re: Fear not!

#24  Postby Ironclad » Dec 15, 2017 10:49 pm

Hello Tony, what's happening bro
For Van Youngman - see you amongst the stardust, old buddy

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Re: Fear not!

#25  Postby Thommo » Dec 15, 2017 10:58 pm

Hi Tony, good to see you!
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Re: Fear not!

#26  Postby hackenslash » Dec 15, 2017 11:31 pm

You too, both of you.
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Re: Fear not!

#27  Postby Animavore » Dec 15, 2017 11:34 pm

What data call a man with no shins?

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Re: Fear not!

#28  Postby surreptitious57 » Dec 16, 2017 12:23 am

Have just finished listening to your debate with Stephanie. You made some very good points as usual but it would have been much easier if she listened to what you were saying instead of trying to prove you wrong every time you said something she disagreed with. She did the same thing with Matt Dillahunty too. The last hour was particularly fractious especially with her responses to the questions from Peter about omniscience and rape. I get the impression that she doesnt like her world view being challenged too much. Nonetheless I hope she does try and understand what you were saying and learn from it least in part if not in whole. So good work from Peter and yourself. Keep it up
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Re: Fear not!

#29  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 16, 2017 6:05 am

Animavore wrote:What data call a man with no shins?

Tony.

Very well done. I enjoyed this.
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Re: Fear not!

#30  Postby BlackBart » Dec 16, 2017 6:12 am

Shouldn't he be called tofootankleny? :ask:
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Re: Fear not!

#31  Postby hackenslash » Dec 16, 2017 1:06 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Have just finished listening to your debate with Stephanie. You made some very good points as usual but it would have been much easier if she listened to what you were saying instead of trying to prove you wrong every time you said something she disagreed with. She did the same thing with Matt Dillahunty too. The last hour was particularly fractious especially with her responses to the questions from Peter about omniscience and rape. I get the impression that she doesnt like her world view being challenged too much. Nonetheless I hope she does try and understand what you were saying and learn from it least in part if not in whole. So good work from Peter and yourself. Keep it up


She did much better than I expected given previous interactions, and I have to make allowance for the fact that she'd been pretty much buried for most of two hours.

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Re: Fear not!

#32  Postby hackenslash » Dec 16, 2017 1:07 pm

Animavore wrote:What data call a man with no shins?

Tony.


What do you call a man with only one leg?

Ani.
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Re: Fear not!

#33  Postby Matthew Shute » Dec 16, 2017 1:30 pm

hackenslash wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:Have just finished listening to your debate with Stephanie. You made some very good points as usual but it would have been much easier if she listened to what you were saying instead of trying to prove you wrong every time you said something she disagreed with. She did the same thing with Matt Dillahunty too. The last hour was particularly fractious especially with her responses to the questions from Peter about omniscience and rape. I get the impression that she doesnt like her world view being challenged too much. Nonetheless I hope she does try and understand what you were saying and learn from it least in part if not in whole. So good work from Peter and yourself. Keep it up


She did much better than I expected given previous interactions, and I have to make allowance for the fact that she'd been pretty much buried for most of two hours.



Am I right to suspect that the Sye in the chat was this clown?

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It was an entertaining, if at times frustrating, listen.

I've no idea how Stephanie thinks god being "outside of time" would have any bearing on "choice", were it certain that we always do the thing god already knows we'll do. What's more, I'm not convinced she has any idea, either. I liked your coin example: which of these 1 coins would you like to choose?

I wonder if she'll remove the Kalām cosmological argument from her list of top arguments for god, wherever that's posted, now you've pointed out the small matter that one of its premises is outright false and the other doesn't have a shed of evidence to support it.

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Re: Fear not!

#34  Postby hackenslash » Dec 16, 2017 1:40 pm

Hi Matt.

No, although Sye Ten challenged me to a debate a while back as well. I declined, because all of his debates are the same, and there's no mileage in it.

The Sy in question was Sy Garte, one of the Escaping Atheism crowd, which you've no doubt come across on Twitter. He's a molecular biologist working in cancer research, and a YEC.

Stephanie has also fallen in with that group, and it shows.

I keep wondering what would happen if I introduced him to Genes4Life. May make that happen at some point if it looks like fun.
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Re: Fear not!

#35  Postby Animavore » Dec 16, 2017 4:58 pm

hackenslash wrote:
Animavore wrote:What data call a man with no shins?

Tony.


What do you call a man with only one leg?

Ani.


Well that was uncalled for.

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Re: Fear not!

#36  Postby hackenslash » Dec 16, 2017 5:17 pm

lol
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Re: Fear not!

#37  Postby Pebble » Dec 17, 2017 8:17 am

Matthew Shute wrote:

I wonder if she'll remove the Kalām cosmological argument from her list of top arguments for god, wherever that's posted, now you've pointed out the small matter that one of its premises is outright false and the other doesn't have a shed of evidence to support it.

:think:


I was wondering that too. As I understood it, particles that pop in and out of existence simply show that any cause thereof, if one exists, is unknown. How can one prove the absence of a cause that could potentially exist in a dimension we as yet have no evidence for?
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Re: Fear not!

#38  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 17, 2017 8:39 am

hackenslash wrote:
Animavore wrote:What data call a man with no shins?

Tony.


What do you call a man with only one leg?

Ani.

Hello, police? I just witnessed a murder.
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Re: Fear not!

#39  Postby hackenslash » Dec 17, 2017 12:08 pm

Pebble wrote:
Matthew Shute wrote:

I wonder if she'll remove the Kalām cosmological argument from her list of top arguments for god, wherever that's posted, now you've pointed out the small matter that one of its premises is outright false and the other doesn't have a shed of evidence to support it.

:think:


I was wondering that too. As I understood it, particles that pop in and out of existence simply show that any cause thereof, if one exists, is unknown. How can one prove the absence of a cause that could potentially exist in a dimension we as yet have no evidence for?


We can do better than that. Since the closing of the final loopholes in Bell Inequality violations in late 2015, the case is closed for hidden variables. Quantum phenomena are causeless.

I talk about it in the final section of this post, and the paper dealing with the closing of the last loophole is linked at the bottom.
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Re: Fear not!

#40  Postby surreptitious57 » Dec 17, 2017 12:28 pm

hackenslash wrote:
Quantum phenomena are causeless

Does this mean that virtual particles do not need to borrow energy before they pop into existence
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