Hello Skeptics I'm Eli! Pleased to Meet You

Introduction: The Story of My Life [Part 1]

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Re: Hello Skeptics I'm Eli! Pleased to Meet You

#21  Postby newolder » Nov 04, 2016 5:51 pm

Hi Eli,

Archive of "Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior". - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › NCBI › Literature › PubMed Central (PMC)
The archive for this journal includes volumes 1-98. The publisher no longer participates in PubMed Central.

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Re: Hello Skeptics I'm Eli! Pleased to Meet You

#22  Postby eliech » Nov 04, 2016 6:01 pm

Ugh, this is more FUN than I originally thought it would be.

Got to go now but, will be back later tonight!

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#23  Postby Briton » Nov 05, 2016 9:50 am

eliech wrote:Hello there,

I'm Eli and I'm glad to connect with you here.

Throughout my entire life, I've been questioning the existence of GOD and the beliefs of religions. I consider myself Agnostic because although I cannot factually prove the existence of a GOD I cannot factually disprove it either.


Hi Eli.

Are you agnostic towards the faeries at the bottom of the garden as well?
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#24  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 05, 2016 5:05 pm

newolder wrote:Hi Eli,

Archive of "Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior". - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › NCBI › Literature › PubMed Central (PMC)
The archive for this journal includes volumes 1-98. The publisher no longer participates in PubMed Central.

Early warning system triggered. Hackles up. Brew time. :coffee:


Can't find that journal in the archives. Got a better link?

EDIT: found it.
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#25  Postby newolder » Nov 05, 2016 5:22 pm

Calilasseia wrote:
newolder wrote:Hi Eli,

Archive of "Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior". - NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › NCBI › Literature › PubMed Central (PMC)
The archive for this journal includes volumes 1-98. The publisher no longer participates in PubMed Central.

Early warning system triggered. Hackles up. Brew time. :coffee:


Can't find that journal in the archives. Got a better link?

Not sure what the question is but I put, Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, into google and that was the third hit, iirc. I've just tried the same text here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/?te ... f+Behavior where: "PubMed Central 5,112 full-text journal articles" appears under the Literature heading.
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Re: Hello Skeptics I'm Eli! Pleased to Meet You

#26  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 05, 2016 8:27 pm

Hey Eli, welcome to the forum.
eliech wrote:I found this space on Infidels.org, where I read the case on:"Why I'm not A Christian" by John W. Loftus http://infidels.org/library/modern/john_loftus/christianity.html#4

But before I tell you how I got to that page, let me tell you the story of my life and particular upbringings.

I was raised in a Catholic family, and since very little was forced to the view of the world through religion glasses.
My family was then, extremely conservative... There was a lot of psychological abuse impregnated to myself.
I always felt guilty for merely existing(infamous original sin). Everything that was naturally attractive to me was WRONG in the eyes of GOD and religion.
All the way to my teenage years I was forced to attend Catholic Church and pursue the "Holy Sacraments"

Once I started gaining a better understanding of what religion signifies to people and what its function was in society I started questioning why do people insist in believing this fairy tale? I asked all my family members for advise. The response was that; I was a rebel, that I needed professional help, that I was undoubtedly going to HELL... :think:

I couldn't have an open rational conversation with anyone in my family. And yet, I had to obey the rules and principles of something that I did not identify with or believe in.

It was tough,.... and I still remember those times with resentment.

As I approached my 19s, I started to look for ways of becoming free not only physically but mentally. I truly wanted to pursue the freedom of thought. So, I did. I attended college and pursued a Biological Science Degree (comically). :grin:

This degree allowed me not only to question even more our existence, but the human nature itself, the universe as a whole.... using solely critical thinking, factual evidence and reason. I took a class on Philosophy of Religion in which the Professor challenged us to questioning ourselves about the very roots of religion and humanity. I learned a lot in that class. So much that I decided to never enter in a church again...

Thank you for reading. Feel free to leave your comments, I can use a friend. :grin:

Stay tuned! Part 2 Coming Soon... :cheers:

Sounds you had a though upbringing vis a vis dominating beliefs. Happy to see you mostly got wiser and freed yourself from that particular straight jacket.
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Re: Hello Skeptics I'm Eli! Pleased to Meet You

#27  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 05, 2016 8:30 pm

eliech wrote:
Alan B wrote:I've posted this a couple of times before...

Reply to a theist who asserts that a god exists or gods exist:
What you must do now is to prove (or show evidence of) the existence of an interface between a non-physical God and a physical universe (or even a physical human being will do). You must then describe the precise nature of the interface: how it is implemented, what 'connections' are used and the translation 'mechanism' across the interface. Bearing in mind, of course, that one side of the interface must be entirely non-physical such that no physical measuring device can detect its presence and that the other side must exist solely in the physical universe.
We’re still waiting…
(When I've directed this request to some of the theists who visit from time to time, all I get is waffle and 'suddenly' going off at a tangent on to some other subject - usually involving some, er, 'sciency theories' that, er, 'prove' their point of view).

Reply to an atheist who asserts that a god does not or gods do not exist:
(To paraphrase the above)
What you must do now is to prove (or show evidence of) the non-existence of an interface between a non-existent non-physical God and a physical universe (or even a physical human being will do). You must then describe the precise nature of the non- existent interface: how it is implemented, what 'connections' are used and the translation 'mechanism' across the non-existent interface. Bearing in mind, of course, that one side of the non-existent interface must be entirely non-physical such that no physical measuring device can detect its presence and that the other side must not exist in the physical universe. All of which, of course, is nonsensical.

For an atheist a simple expression of ‘non-belief’ is sufficient. (As Cali so eloquently pointed out above).
To make the assertion that a god does not exist is unnecessary and pointless.

It is the sole responsibility of the theist to provide material evidence of the existence of a ‘god’. The atheist does not need to take any active part in this process but to just metaphorically ‘sit back’ and watch the theists tie themselves in knots.
The onus is upon the theist to provide evidence of the existence of the god or gods in which they have a belief. This evidence must be peer reviewed and acceptable to believer and non-believer alike. If this evidence is accepted then non-belief and belief with respect to the existence of a supreme deity or deities will be made redundant since they will replaced by knowledge.

It is common among theist believers to assume that their belief system imparts ‘knowledge’ to the individual that they then claim is ‘evidence’ that their deity (or deities) exist. They then try to back-up this claim by presenting additional ‘evidence’ – usually in the form of ‘sacred’ or ancient writings – that ‘prove’ that their belief-driven claim is true (usually at the expense of other beliefs). This is delusional.

Oh, and welcome to RatSkep, Eli. Have fun.
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Hi there!

Thank you for this.
A great approach to answering the question. And better for understanding delusion...

Speaking of such, would love some feedback on these two articles. :popcorn:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/pdf/fpsyg-05-01588.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174370/pdf/jeab-88-03-435.pdf

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It might be better to start a seperate thread for that.
Also what particular kind of feedback are you looking for? Whether the articles are sound? What our thoughts are on the conclusions of the article?
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