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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#21  Postby Matt_B » Jul 28, 2017 12:29 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:I suspect that it's actually more dangerous because of the padding. In boxing, the gloves actually make long-term head brain injuries more likely, because you're getting hit in the head for over 30 minutes. Before gloves, there were far fewer head shots, because there's a limit to how many times you can punch someone in the head without breaking your hand. For this reason, it wouldn't surprise me if MMA was actually less dangerous than boxing long-term (although actually getting knocked out in any sport is dangerous). If American football had no padding and no helmets, the rules would be changed to reflect this, but also the players simply wouldn't hit each other as hard, because there's just as much chance of you getting hurt yourself. You'd likely end up with more rugby-style tackling, where you have to be a bit more precise about how you take someone out.


That'd be my take too. Having played both American football - one season was enough for me - and rugby, the shoulder pads and helmets aren't so much there for your protection as to allow you to hit harder.

I'd think that there are other factors too. The stop start nature of the game means that everyone is usually running flat out when the ball is in play, where in rugby you've got to make your tackle, get up, get back onside and get ready to make another one without knowing when you're going to get a breather. Also, the offside rule in rugby tends to mean that you're usually aware of what direction a tackle is coming from; getting hit unexpectedly is much more common in American football, with quarterbacks being particularly vulnerable.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#22  Postby laklak » Jul 28, 2017 2:41 pm

Gosh, unnaturally huge men running into each other at full gallop, over and over again, can cause cumulative brain damage! Whooda thunk it? Why, next thing they'll say that repeatedly bashing your own head with a 2x4 could be dangerous.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#23  Postby purplerat » Jul 28, 2017 2:51 pm

NFL to End Partnership with National Institutes of Health on Concussion Study

It looks like they know this isn't going to end well for them.
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#24  Postby NamelessFaceless » Jul 28, 2017 3:42 pm

purplerat wrote:NFL to End Partnership with National Institutes of Health on Concussion Study

It looks like they know this isn't going to end well for them.


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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#25  Postby Teague » Jul 31, 2017 1:24 pm

purplerat wrote:NFL to End Partnership with National Institutes of Health on Concussion Study

It looks like they know this isn't going to end well for them.


From that article,

"Our investigation has shown that while the NFL had been publicly proclaiming its role as funder and accelerator of important research, it was privately attempting to influence that research," the committee wrote. "The NFL attempted to use its 'unrestricted gift' as leverage to steer funding away from one of its critics."


Yeah when things pull shit like that is when I step away and say "fuck you" - no way would I support the NFL after this.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#26  Postby The_Metatron » Jul 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Teague wrote:
purplerat wrote:NFL to End Partnership with National Institutes of Health on Concussion Study

It looks like they know this isn't going to end well for them.


From that article,

"Our investigation has shown that while the NFL had been publicly proclaiming its role as funder and accelerator of important research, it was privately attempting to influence that research," the committee wrote. "The NFL attempted to use its 'unrestricted gift' as leverage to steer funding away from one of its critics."


Yeah when things pull shit like that is when I step away and say "fuck you" - no way would I support the NFL after this.

No worries here. I haven't watched an NFL football game in over thirty years. Wow, do I ever have better things to do than watch professional sports. Of any flavor.

The warning klaxon is to the moron parents pushing their kids to play this game.


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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#27  Postby Teague » Aug 01, 2017 12:44 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
Teague wrote:
purplerat wrote:NFL to End Partnership with National Institutes of Health on Concussion Study

It looks like they know this isn't going to end well for them.


From that article,

"Our investigation has shown that while the NFL had been publicly proclaiming its role as funder and accelerator of important research, it was privately attempting to influence that research," the committee wrote. "The NFL attempted to use its 'unrestricted gift' as leverage to steer funding away from one of its critics."


Yeah when things pull shit like that is when I step away and say "fuck you" - no way would I support the NFL after this.

No worries here. I haven't watched an NFL football game in over thirty years. Wow, do I ever have better things to do than watch professional sports. Of any flavor.

The warning klaxon is to the moron parents pushing their kids to play this game.


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I should add it's easy for me not to support something I don't watch and have no interest in LOL.

It's like these actors or musicians that beat their wives - won't listen or watch a thing of theirs and the people that do I think are rather shitty.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#28  Postby Willie71 » Aug 01, 2017 5:41 pm

purplerat wrote:
Teague wrote:Interestingly, Rugby doesn't suffer the same issue but then they don't smack heads al lthe time. Ironic that the "safety" equipment here is actually not safe and this study shows that further studies are needed. If it's such a high number though, what does that mean for the national sport?

Have rugby and other sports like soccer been studied as rigorously?

I know one suggestion with American football is that it's all the smaller hits, the non-concussive ones, that add up in football. For linemen, it can be virtually every single play where they are smashing their head into an opposing player. That goes for both games and practices. These types of hits would be uncomfortable if you weren't used to them but wouldn't knock you out or make you think you'd been injured. But after thousands and thousands of such collisions, it could very well build up to something serious.

As for what does it mean for the NFL. I suspect that depends on the ratings. If people keep on watching then there will be more than enough money to convince people to risk it. It's not like people haven't been aware of football causing debilitating injuries for as long as the sport has been around so I doubt anything from the player side until something changes from the fan side.

That said the NFL did see a significant drop in ratings last year and I don't think it's unreasonable to think the two are related. I know as somebody who's watched the sport throughout my life that it's becoming increasingly difficult to watch it when every time you see a big hit you have to wonder how many years were just shaved off that guys life. Unless there's a cure for this disease or technological breakthrough which helps prevent it then I think the game would have to fundamentally change or else it will die out/be relegated to the fringes a la boxing.


Soccer and boxing have very high incidences of CTE as well, nearing 100% iirc. It was a while I go. I remember when my son played youth soccer they were considering banning heading the ball. Boxing is a no brainer, excuse the obvious pun.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#29  Postby Willie71 » Aug 01, 2017 5:56 pm

There are problems with emotional regulation and anger outbursts in nearly 100% of brain injuries because of the brain shearing as it rocks in the skull against the ethmoid bone. I did a three month placement in brain injury way back in about 1992. Basically the skull has a scraper surrounding the frontal lobes and lymbic systems, which control rational thought, problem solving, and emotional regulation. So much for intelligent design.

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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#30  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 01, 2017 5:58 pm

I think all the armour they wear causes more injuries than it saves. Stupid game anyway.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#31  Postby purplerat » Aug 01, 2017 6:02 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:I think all the armour they wear causes more injuries than it saves. Stupid game anyway.

It probably does contribute to these types of chronic injuries while preventing more acute ones including death. It's a common suggestion that the helmet and padding should be reduced or done away with but I suspect that without other fundamental changes to the game that would lead to an increase in things like paralysis and on field deaths.
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#32  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 02, 2017 10:38 am

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Scot Dutchy wrote:I think all the armour they wear causes more injuries than it saves. Stupid game anyway.

It probably does contribute to these types of chronic injuries while preventing more acute ones including death. It's a common suggestion that the helmet and padding should be reduced or done away with but I suspect that without other fundamental changes to the game that would lead to an increase in things like paralysis and on field deaths.


Never happens in rugby of any code. Wearing too much protection lulls the wearer into a false sense of security and over confidence. It is also sometimes a substitute for fitness.

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#33  Postby aban57 » Aug 02, 2017 11:06 am

Why don't they just abandon this stupid sport with a stupid name, and play rugby instead.
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#34  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 02, 2017 11:24 am

aban57 wrote:Why don't they just abandon this stupid sport with a stupid name, and play rugby instead.

I would not disagree with you but that is the Americans for you. They have adapted every game. Why dont they play cricket instead of Base Ball? Even football (soccer) was not safe in the beginning. They scrapped the offside rule in the women's game in order to have more goals but when they played internationally they had to follow the proper rules so the change was quietly forgotten.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#36  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 02, 2017 12:03 pm



Ok I agree with the professional game there has been an increase but nothing like 99%. I played it for 25 years on and off. I suffered plenty of injuries and bear the scares today but head injuries very little.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#37  Postby Mike_L » Aug 02, 2017 12:07 pm



...also neck injuries.

Chess, dammit. Chess is safe... mostly. :grin:
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#38  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 02, 2017 12:14 pm

We are talking specifically about CTE. I accept with the coming of the professional game it is on the increase.
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Re: 99 Percent Of Studied NFL Brains Diagnosed With CTE

#39  Postby purplerat » Aug 02, 2017 1:19 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Never happens in rugby of any code.

Different sports. As others have mentioned earlier the start and stop nature of American football leads to more big collisions that probably don't happen when there is constant action.

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Because people were regularly dying on the field when American football first started being played. The picture you have above is just a picture of a player not wearing a helmet.
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#40  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 02, 2017 2:01 pm

Not much body armour either. Professional rugby union players today wear almost as much.
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