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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#21  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:05 pm

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So, uh, mrjonno, where does nuking Tel Aviv fit into killing in self-defence?


Very logically, occupied country then everything you do is self defence


Wrong, mrjonno. Everything you do against the oppressor is in defence of your 'peeps'. Going shopping doesn't count. Don't get 'self' and 'other' so confused that you start to think you're everybody you care about. That's gonna be some copious woo.

You said 'everything is justified'. Apparently you even think the idiocy you write is justified, although I have no evidence you're Palestinian.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#22  Postby mrjonno » Jul 24, 2014 7:07 pm

Self defence obviously includes defending your own group, if you prefer self defence and the defence of others then fine

I would also rather no one nuked Tel Aviv but if other military methods are not possibly then so bet it

When the RAF saturated bombed entire German cities killing 100 000's of men women and children it was only justified because no one possessed smart bombs to target factories and military installations. If Hamas can find an airforce with smart weapons then that would be preferable
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#23  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:12 pm

mrjonno wrote:Self defence obviously includes defending your own group


Only in the Humpty-Dumpty universe of the online philosophy dilettante, where you define what every word you use denotes, and which can change from one idiotic post to the next. I'm sorry for derailing this thread to try to point that out to you, but you write the most idiotic bollocks sometimes... much of the time. By all means, use all the private definitions of words you care to. At least somebody has seen the crap that you're up to. Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence. Where will it all end, mrjonno? Nuking Welsh language road signs in Wales?
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#24  Postby laklak » Jul 24, 2014 7:15 pm

If we're going to execute prisoners it should be televised. Doesn't deter crime, so least get a great spectacle and massive pay-per-view numbers out of it. It won't take too long until the jaded aficionados will demand burning or rending or fighting wild animals. Maybe a mock navel battle. If we're going to go all vengeful and Old Testament on their asses then just DO it, stop hiding it behind curtains and mealy-mouthed pieties about "mercy". It costs the state a fortune to get somebody onto death row, shouldn't they make some of that ad revenue? Damn, combine Florida Death Row with the Florida Lottery and property taxes will drop a couple mil.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#25  Postby Weaver » Jul 24, 2014 7:16 pm

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Peter Brown wrote:10 minutes is still a long time when a bullet is more or less instant.


Yeah. People flatter themselves. You see it right in these pages.



I'm anti death sentence purely on the grounds they get proven to have the wrong criminal nearly all the time, and in America the Justice system seems flawed in just far too many ways. Affluenza a reason to excuse murder whilst drunk, rulings corporations are people and money is free speech. More blacks in prison than whites, the Trayvon Martin ruling.

The US justice system is just fucked beyond belief!!!

I agree the US justice system has significant flaws, particularly with regards to death penalty cases, and I too am against the death penalty - but the highlighted portion of your statement isn't even close to true.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#26  Postby mrjonno » Jul 24, 2014 7:16 pm

Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence


As it saturation bombing entire cities killing far more people than the nuclear weapons which actually have been used

I don't remember any RAF or USAAF pilots facing war crimes (being on the winning side does tend to help in those matters)
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#27  Postby Acetone » Jul 24, 2014 7:18 pm

mrjonno wrote:
Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence


As it saturation bombing entire cities killing far more people than the nuclear weapons which actually have been used

I don't remember any RAF or USAAF pilots facing war crimes (being on the winning side does tend to help in those matters)

'Tend' to help? Are you fucking joking?

Get rid of this stupid notion that what happened in WWII on either side was in anyway justified in the way you attempt to continuously paint it as being.

It was justified because it happened, the government said it needed to happen, and we won. Simple. Period.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#28  Postby Weaver » Jul 24, 2014 7:19 pm

mrjonno wrote:
Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence


As it saturation bombing entire cities killing far more people than the nuclear weapons which actually have been used

I don't remember any RAF or USAAF pilots facing war crimes (being on the winning side does tend to help in those matters)

Much in the same way that we tried and executed the losers for committing the same unrestricted submarine warfare that we gave medals to our own for.

But it is interesting to hear you defend the idea of self-defense ...
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#29  Postby mrjonno » Jul 24, 2014 7:22 pm

But it is interesting to hear you defend the idea of self-defense ...


Nothing wrong with self defence if it actually makes you safer and doesn't endanger everyone else. The Palestinians have decided they are fucked anyway if they do nothing
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#30  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:28 pm

mrjonno wrote:
Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence


As it saturation bombing entire cities killing far more people than the nuclear weapons which actually have been used


Not a sentence. I tried to parse it by fixing the typo in the second word, but it's still not a sentence. Think over what you want to say, and then try to say it. Concentrate really fucking hard.

mrjonno wrote:I don't remember any RAF or USAAF pilots facing war crimes (being on the winning side does tend to help in those matters)


I'm trying to reconcile what you said about capital punishment with this, but as what you wrote on this point is also not a sentence, I am thwarted. I know how to read, mrjonno. Learn how to write. Please. Especially if you want to embark on a rendition of somebody else's political philosophy.

I can try to help you by guessing the political doctrine about oppressed classes you're trying to regurgitate, here, but are failing to get across because you lack the grammatical and syntactic tools to communicate with anyone but yourself. I'd still have to try to reconcile that with what you have to say about capital punishement, but so it goes. Have we got Noam Chomsky on tap, or is it somebody else? Let us know what radio station you're tuning into. It will be an eye-opener. Everything is justified!
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#31  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:29 pm

mrjonno wrote:
But it is interesting to hear you defend the idea of self-defense ...


Nothing wrong with self defence if it actually makes you safer and doesn't endanger everyone else.


So, nuking Tel Aviv. What a bum fuck of intellectual pretension, mrjonno. You're entitled to publish whatever bollocks you like; what you're not entitled to is avoidance of having pure idiocy noted and mocked.
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#32  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:34 pm

laklak wrote:Maybe a mock navel battle.


Dualling metaphysics at twenty parsecs. Yeah, it's a pun about dualism. And fluff.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#33  Postby mrjonno » Jul 24, 2014 7:36 pm

How is it complicated.

Someone locked in a cell, not a threat to you regardless of what they did before they got into the cell. Hence no self defence : wrong

Occupy someone country : threatened you survival every minute of the day: Do whatever the fuck you want to get rid of them Fine
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#34  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 24, 2014 7:47 pm

mrjonno wrote:How is it complicated.

Someone locked in a cell, not a threat to you regardless of what they did before they got into the cell. Hence no self defence : wrong

Occupy someone country : threatened you survival every minute of the day: Do whatever the fuck you want to get rid of them Fine


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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#35  Postby tuco » Jul 24, 2014 8:02 pm

Debate over justified .. big science!
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#36  Postby james1v » Jul 24, 2014 8:36 pm

If a vet tried to put down a dog and it took him/her two hours to do so, there would be uproar. The chances of that vet being allowed to carry out that procedure again (I'm guessing) would be slim, to non-existent.

The very least that should happen after this debacle, is the institution and the idiots involved, should never be allowed to have any involvement in these kind of procedures ever again. Ever.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#37  Postby Peter Brown » Jul 24, 2014 9:03 pm

Weaver wrote:
Peter Brown wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Peter Brown wrote:10 minutes is still a long time when a bullet is more or less instant.


Yeah. People flatter themselves. You see it right in these pages.



I'm anti death sentence purely on the grounds they get proven to have the wrong criminal nearly all the time, and in America the Justice system seems flawed in just far too many ways. Affluenza a reason to excuse murder whilst drunk, rulings corporations are people and money is free speech. More blacks in prison than whites, the Trayvon Martin ruling.

The US justice system is just fucked beyond belief!!!

I agree the US justice system has significant flaws, particularly with regards to death penalty cases, and I too am against the death penalty - but the highlighted portion of your statement isn't even close to true.


Well if it makes anyone feel any better the highlighted does not just refer to the US, its a world wide issue that includes the UK when we used to do it too. But seriously with that plea bargain scam just how many innocent citizens rot in US jails?
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#38  Postby Peter Brown » Jul 24, 2014 9:09 pm

mrjonno wrote:
Nuking Tel Aviv is justified! As self defence


As it saturation bombing entire cities killing far more people than the nuclear weapons which actually have been used

I don't remember any RAF or USAAF pilots facing war crimes (being on the winning side does tend to help in those matters)


The 2nd world war had new laws and judgements being made on the fly afterwards. in the old days Hitler and gang would have been exiled to Elba or something like Napoleon who also waged a European war with no doubt crimes too. I can suggest this because at the same time the US colonials claimed British troops murdering whole villages, and if that's true, and the UK could do it, then darn sure the French would too.
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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#39  Postby laklak » Jul 24, 2014 9:35 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
laklak wrote:Maybe a mock navel battle.


Dualling metaphysics at twenty parsecs. Yeah, it's a pun about dualism. And fluff.


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Re: Arizona execution takes two hours

#40  Postby epepke » Jul 24, 2014 9:51 pm

We're nuking Tel Aviv because of a botched execution in Arizona?

Seems to me that just getting someone outside in Arizona takes less than two hours to kill them. I'm not so sure about Tel Aviv.
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