Bisexual CoE vicar sacked over orgies and prostitutes

DoctorE · #1 by **DoctorE** » Oct 28, 2016 9:58 am

A bisexual priest who took part in group sex and visited gay saunas has been sacked after his wife exposed his double life.

A Church of England tribunal heard details of Reverend James Day’s sexual antics after his estranged wife amassed a cache of evidence against him and made a formal complaint.

This included four memory sticks containing pornographic images and explicit emails Rev Day sent referring to gay liaisons.

After hearing a damning statement from Birte Day, the Bishop’s Disciplinary Tribunal for the Diocese of Europe ruled his actions amounted to “conduct unbecoming and inappropriate” and banned him from ministry for life.

Continues: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... -prostitu/

Thomas Eshuis · #2 by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 28, 2016 9:59 am

Can't say I appreciate the title of the article.

Sendraks · #3 by **Sendraks** » Oct 28, 2016 10:06 am

What is the title of the article? (I prefer not to give the Torygraph any web traffic if at all possible).

Also - fair play by the CoE on this. Being a Vicar is a vocation which doesn't stop outside of working hours and is a life defining role, where you're supposed to embody the values of the Church 24/7. There's no argument to be made about "private life" where that life is at odds with the values you're supposed to embody.

Thomas Eshuis · #4 by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 28, 2016 10:08 am

Sendraks wrote:What is the title of the article? (I prefer not to give the Torygraph any web traffic if at all possible).

Same here, but I'm asuming the title is the same as the title of this thread.
If not, I don't appreciate the title of this thread even more.

Sendraks wrote:
Also - fair play by the CoE on this. Being a Vicar is a vocation which doesn't stop outside of working hours and is a life defining role, where you're supposed to embody the values of the Church 24/7. There's no argument to be made about "private life" where that life is at odds with the values you're supposed to embody.

chairman bill · #5 by **chairman bill** » Oct 28, 2016 11:22 am

The Torygraph headline is "Bisexual Church of England vicar sacked over orgies and prostitutes after wife exposes his double life"

willhud9 · #6 by **willhud9** » Oct 28, 2016 11:29 am

Bisexual could have been left off. The use of it sounds like a pejorative.

Thomas Eshuis · #7 by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 28, 2016 12:04 pm

willhud9 wrote:Bisexual could have been left off. The use of it sounds like a pejorative.

Intentionally or not, the article seems to confuse the vicars bisexuality with polygamy.

scott1328 · #8 by **scott1328** » Oct 28, 2016 12:54 pm

for tabloid news rags, the sliding scale of perversion is:
On the x-axis in order of increasing perversion
hetero-
homo-
bi-

On the y-axis in order of increasing perversion
married sex
sex with prostitutes
orgies

Acetone · #9 by **Acetone** » Oct 28, 2016 8:31 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Bisexual could have been left off. The use of it sounds like a pejorative.

Intentionally or not, the article seems to confuse the vicars bisexuality with polygamy.

The title implies that?

I didn't think the title implied that at all. Sounds like a bisexual CoE vicar got sacked over having orgies and prostitutes. I don't see anything to do with polygamy in the title

scott1328 · **#10** by **scott1328** » Oct 28, 2016 8:40 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Bisexual could have been left off. The use of it sounds like a pejorative.

Intentionally or not, the article seems to confuse the vicars bisexuality with polygamy.

Did you, perhaps, mean "polyamory"

Some people seem to believe that to be "truly" bisexual, one must be having regular sex with both sexes. Else, why use the bisexual label?

Thomas Eshuis · **#11** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 28, 2016 8:59 pm

scott1328 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Bisexual could have been left off. The use of it sounds like a pejorative.

Intentionally or not, the article seems to confuse the vicars bisexuality with polygamy.

Did you, perhaps, mean "polyamory"

Both. Depends on how strictly you define polyamory.

scott1328 wrote:Some people seem to believe that to be "truly" bisexual, one must be having regular sex with both sexes. Else, why use the bisexual label?

This false stereotype being the reason I object to the title of this thread, because it makes the same misguided connection.

I have no polyamorous bone in my body and yet I'm still bisexual.

Acetone · **#12** by **Acetone** » Oct 28, 2016 9:33 pm

I still don't see it.

The vicar was bisexual and lost his position over orgies and prostitutes. No where in there is the implication thst he had orgies and prostitutes because he's bisexual. His sexual orientation is of interest to the article because it could also have played a part in him losing his position. It's pertinent information. Would a straight vicar similarly lose his position if he had orgies and used prostitutes (heterosexually only)??? Or would his punishment be less?

A large part of the evidence and discussion seemed to involve gay sex and male porn. Implying it was an important aspect to the churches decision.

Thomas Eshuis · **#13** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 28, 2016 10:01 pm

Acetone wrote:I still don't see it.

The vicar was bisexual and lost his position over orgies and prostitutes. No where in there is the implication thst he had orgies and prostitutes because he's bisexual. His sexual orientation is of interest to the article because it could also have played a part in him losing his position. It's pertinent information. Would a straight vicar similarly lose his position if he had orgies and used prostitutes (heterosexually only)??? Or would his punishment be less?

A large part of the evidence and discussion seemed to involve gay sex and male porn. Implying it was an important aspect to the churches decision.

Look at it like this:

The vicar was bisexual male and lost his position over orgies and prostitutes.

The vicar was bisexual white and lost his position over orgies and prostitutes.

The vicar was bisexual English and lost his position over orgies and prostitutes.

By explicitely mentioning his sexuality in the same sentence with polygamous acts, you insinsuate there's a connection between two. While bisexaulity and polygamy/polyamory are two seperate things.

Acetone · **#14** by **Acetone** » Oct 29, 2016 2:34 am

I entirely disagree. The only person insinuating there's a connection being made is you.

Look at it this way "bisexual vicar" and "vicar" can both be used here. If it just said "vicar" with no bisexual adjective it would not be implying that vicars are polyamorous or poly anything, it'd be a statement about that vicar. It doesn't matter what adjectives you add on to it the rest of that sentence is about that vicar, just more descriptive of him.

Acetone · **#15** by **Acetone** » Oct 29, 2016 2:38 am

The terms you added don't add any pertinent information about the story.

It was not a main point of discussion that he was white, male nor English. And if it were and they added any of those adjectives it would not be insinuating what you're saying it is.

Some bisexuals do have sex with many people, sometimes at the same time and sometimes it's even pertinent to the story being told. If you can't read "this bisexual male had orgies all the time" without blowing your top that it's somehow insinuating something about bisexuals rather than that bisexual male then idk what to say.

scott1328 · **#16** by **scott1328** » Oct 29, 2016 5:46 am

Then why wasn't the headline "CoE vicar sacked over orgies and prostitutes"?

The news agency made the minister's sexuality an issue by including that irrelevant bit of information in the title.

Thomas Eshuis · **#17** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 29, 2016 8:38 am

Acetone wrote:I entirely disagree. The only person insinuating there's a connection being made is you.

Nonsense.
To mention his sexuality explicitely in the title of the article, means it's of import.
That's not me, that's how news headlines work.

Acetone wrote:Look at it this way "bisexual vicar" and "vicar" can both be used here.

Exactly, just like 'White vicar' and 'vicar'.
Why did they not us 'white vicar'? More to the point, why not just 'vicar'?

Acetone wrote:If it just said "vicar" with no bisexual adjective it would not be implying that vicars are polyamorous or poly anything, it'd be a statement about that vicar.

Indeed Acetone, because that's the difference between a descriptive adjective and a noun.

Acetone wrote: It doesn't matter what adjectives you add on to it the rest of that sentence is about that vicar, just more descriptive of him.

Again, bollocks, see the start of this post.

Fallible · **#18** by **Fallible** » Oct 29, 2016 8:42 am

Acetone, why do we need to know he's bisexual if the issue is orgies and prostitutes? Is there something extra special and need-to-know about bisexual orgies and prostitute liaisons in relation to his job as a vicar? Does his bisexuality make his behaviour worse somehow?

Thomas Eshuis · **#19** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Oct 29, 2016 8:42 am

Acetone wrote:The terms you added don't add any pertinent information about the story.

It was not a main point of discussion that he was white, male nor English.

So you admit his bisexuality is linked to the discussion. What are you disagreeing with me for then?

Acetone wrote:And if it were and they added any of those adjectives it would not be insinuating what you're saying it is.

Really? You would not find it odd that the paper found it necesarry to specify that the vicar was white, male or English, when talking about a CoE vicar?
That would not be obvious?

Acetone wrote:Some bisexuals do have sex with many people, sometimes at the same time

So do straight people.
Bisexuality is about the attraction to genders, not numbers of people involved.

Acetone wrote: and sometimes it's even pertinent to the story being told.

Explain to me how it's relevant to the polygamy mentioned in the very same sentence.

Acetone wrote: If you can't read "this bisexual male had orgies all the time" without blowing your top that it's somehow insinuating something about bisexuals rather than that bisexual male then idk what to say.

Idk either, which is why I'd appreciate it if you don't make up my emotional state for me.
I have not 'blown up' about anything.

tuco · **#20** by **tuco** » Oct 29, 2016 8:57 am

Fallible wrote:Acetone, why do we need to know he's bisexual if the issue is orgies and prostitutes? Is there something extra special and need-to-know about bisexual orgies and prostitute liaisons in relation to his job as a vicar? Does his bisexuality make his behaviour worse somehow?

Why do we need to know any of this? From where I sit, his bisexuality makes the news *coughs* more newsworthy *coughs* more interesting. If bisexuality was a norm it would not be in headline. Oddities are interesting. As usual and as evidenced here interpretations may vary. You want to see something that is not necessarily there. If it was, everyone would see it. I do not.

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