ronmcd wrote:

mrjonno wrote:
Scotland and even Wales have far more decentralised power than in the US or any other country in Europe.

OlivierK wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

mrjonno wrote:
Scotland and even Wales have far more decentralised power than in the US or any other country in Europe.

Yeah, I was shaking my head too hard to even reply. It's actually impressive to compress so many types of wrong into so few words, though. My inner literary critic particularly appreciates the eschewing of the indefensible "more" in favour of "far more".

Monarch Airlines collapses: UK’s biggest peacetime repatriation under way

Civil Aviation Authority says it is taking action to get 110,000 people back to UK, with 300,000 future bookings cancelled

The UK’s biggest peacetime repatriation is under way after the collapse of Monarch Airlines, with 110,000 customers to be brought home on specially chartered planes.

The accountants KPMG announced at 4am on Monday that Monarch, Britain’s longest-surviving airline brand, had been placed into administration and that all further flights from the UK had been cancelled and would not be rescheduled.

....
Greybull said the airline had been “buffeted by factors outside of its control”. Terrorism and the collapse of the pound after the Brexit vote were the two main factors, it said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/02/monarch-airlines-flights-cancelled-as-airline-goes-into-administrationMore...

mrjonno wrote:How's Spanish federalism these days?

Scot Dutchy wrote:Brexit is hitting:

Monarch Airlines collapses: UK’s biggest peacetime repatriation under way

Civil Aviation Authority says it is taking action to get 110,000 people back to UK, with 300,000 future bookings cancelled

The UK’s biggest peacetime repatriation is under way after the collapse of Monarch Airlines, with 110,000 customers to be brought home on specially chartered planes.

The accountants KPMG announced at 4am on Monday that Monarch, Britain’s longest-surviving airline brand, had been placed into administration and that all further flights from the UK had been cancelled and would not be rescheduled.

....
Greybull said the airline had been “buffeted by factors outside of its control”. Terrorism and the collapse of the pound after the Brexit vote were the two main factors, it said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/02/monarch-airlines-flights-cancelled-as-airline-goes-into-administrationMore...

Tracer Tong wrote:

Teague wrote:And to think, we were the first to stand up against the Nazi's and now look where we are.

I'm pretty sure 'we' weren't.

Teague wrote:

Tracer Tong wrote:

Teague wrote:And to think, we were the first to stand up against the Nazi's and now look where we are.

I'm pretty sure 'we' weren't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarati ... rld_War_II

OlivierK wrote:

Sendraks wrote:There are plenty of people who are sufficiently tribal that they identify with their county, rather than being "English." If their county identity neatly overlaps with that of a preferred sports team, so much the better.

It's always seemed odd to me that a country like England with such strong regional identities hasn't adopted a more federal system of government. Having said that, I live in a federal system, whose faults are sometimes extremely frustrating (non-uniform laws, endless buck-passing between state and federal governments over funding of national infrastructure within a state), so I recognise the fact that federalism is not a panacea for regional grievances, but it still seems it could fit well in England as part of a federal UK.

ronmcd wrote:

Tracer Tong wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

Tracer Tong wrote:

The areas in which devolved bodies, such as the Scottish Parliament, are authoritative is set out in law. In the case of the Scotland Act, international relations, including with the EU, are explicitly reserved matters. A single UK leave vote is therefore all that is required.

No argument from me, a single leave UK vote is all that is legally required. That does not mean it is a satisfactory outcome.

But the outcome is Britain's departure from the EU. How could that not be satisfactory?

Good to see you agree that Northern Ireland at the very least should remain in EU

Sendraks wrote:

Teague wrote:

Tracer Tong wrote:

Teague wrote:And to think, we were the first to stand up against the Nazi's and now look where we are.

I'm pretty sure 'we' weren't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarati ... rld_War_II

*cough*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

Teague wrote:

Tracer Tong wrote:

Teague wrote:And to think, we were the first to stand up against the Nazi's and now look where we are.

I'm pretty sure 'we' weren't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarati ... rld_War_II

Teague wrote:Yes but as a Brit, NI is as much Britain as England and Scotland is so why are the two of us going to be denied access. You want passport control when you hit Birmingham???? I think not Ron!

Teague wrote:

OlivierK wrote:

Sendraks wrote:There are plenty of people who are sufficiently tribal that they identify with their county, rather than being "English." If their county identity neatly overlaps with that of a preferred sports team, so much the better.

It's always seemed odd to me that a country like England with such strong regional identities hasn't adopted a more federal system of government. Having said that, I live in a federal system, whose faults are sometimes extremely frustrating (non-uniform laws, endless buck-passing between state and federal governments over funding of national infrastructure within a state), so I recognise the fact that federalism is not a panacea for regional grievances, but it still seems it could fit well in England as part of a federal UK.

No thanks, I like being British because I'm not a closed minded prick. If we can't embrace our kinsmen in 2017 then when the fuck can we? It drives me nuts this whole Brexit thing - the NI question is retarded - retrarded because when they decided to give the plebs the vote they were so stupid they saw none of this coming.

Orrrrrrrrrrr.....

They knew exactly what they were doing, it's a bid for power and to make us more like America so we can have a pay equality gap just like they do and less rights and regulations. I thought Corbyn was ok, he's better than the Tories but ffs, he hates Europe too and we're only 30 miles off the coast!

I'm not sure how a federal system would be incompatible with feeling British

mrjonno wrote:

I'm not sure how a federal system would be incompatible with feeling British

We do have a federal system, while Australia calls the federated units states we call them 'nations' but basically its the same thing except the nations have more power than any Australia (or US) state. The identity of nation/state is far stronger as well (probably too strong for a stable country which the UK of course is not)