mrjonno wrote:The only real issues with the EU is its too democratic and not integrated enough. So reform would be streamlining it (ie less democratic) and working closer together (ie more integration)

mrjonno wrote:You can't reason with unreasonable people, need to work on ensuring brexiters die of old age and suffer to the maximum due to austerity ++ we will get from leaving.

mrjonno wrote:Brexiters are not my people, in fact I hardly see them as the same species they are my enemy in exactly the same way as ISIS are and should be treated that way

mrjonno wrote:How is forcing your views on others not violence...

GrahamH wrote:Farage says maybe there should be a second referendum:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/b ... tp#image=1

Nigel Farage has said it may be time to hold a second referendum on Brexit to put an end to the “moaning” of politicians who have not accepted the previous vote.

Teague wrote:Nobody wins a vote and then thinks it's a good idea to support another vote where they would most likely lose.

Thommo wrote:

Teague wrote:Nobody wins a vote and then thinks it's a good idea to support another vote where they would most likely lose.

Why do you think he thinks he would lose? Opinion polls seem to suggest the vast majority of Brits think that the government should act on the first referendum and go through with Brexit (over 70% last time I checked) and the majority would vote for Brexit (over 50% last time I checked).

There's obviously some chance of losing, which is why up until now nobody keen on Brexit has advocated the idea at all, but nonetheless that is zero reason to say that Farage actively believes he would lose such a referendum and it flies in the face of over a decade of things he's said and worked for in public and everything he believes.

Teague wrote:

Thommo wrote:

Teague wrote:Nobody wins a vote and then thinks it's a good idea to support another vote where they would most likely lose.

Why do you think he thinks he would lose? Opinion polls seem to suggest the vast majority of Brits think that the government should act on the first referendum and go through with Brexit (over 70% last time I checked) and the majority would vote for Brexit (over 50% last time I checked).

There's obviously some chance of losing, which is why up until now nobody keen on Brexit has advocated the idea at all, but nonetheless that is zero reason to say that Farage actively believes he would lose such a referendum and it flies in the face of over a decade of things he's said and worked for in public and everything he believes.

We that poll isn't asking the same question so it's not relevant. Of course we should go through with the vote because it's done now. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have a 2nd vote and that doesn't mean that because 70% think we should go through with something they wouldn't vote against that thing given the choice. I'm against Brexit but the vote is done and yes, we have to go through with it. Hopefull NI will save us.

Given that this is obviously a bad deal for the UK, I can see there being another vote and people like Farage pretending the votes "just to show them we really won" when in fact he wants to stay in the EU. There's no reason for him to add fire to a second vote. I don't know why a winner would do that "oh, I won the presidency but maybe we should do a recount"

Thommo wrote:

Teague wrote:

Thommo wrote:

Teague wrote:Nobody wins a vote and then thinks it's a good idea to support another vote where they would most likely lose.

Why do you think he thinks he would lose? Opinion polls seem to suggest the vast majority of Brits think that the government should act on the first referendum and go through with Brexit (over 70% last time I checked) and the majority would vote for Brexit (over 50% last time I checked).

There's obviously some chance of losing, which is why up until now nobody keen on Brexit has advocated the idea at all, but nonetheless that is zero reason to say that Farage actively believes he would lose such a referendum and it flies in the face of over a decade of things he's said and worked for in public and everything he believes.

We that poll isn't asking the same question so it's not relevant. Of course we should go through with the vote because it's done now. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have a 2nd vote and that doesn't mean that because 70% think we should go through with something they wouldn't vote against that thing given the choice. I'm against Brexit but the vote is done and yes, we have to go through with it. Hopefull NI will save us.

Given that this is obviously a bad deal for the UK, I can see there being another vote and people like Farage pretending the votes "just to show them we really won" when in fact he wants to stay in the EU. There's no reason for him to add fire to a second vote. I don't know why a winner would do that "oh, I won the presidency but maybe we should do a recount"

So, you don't have a reason to suggest that Farage actually thinks he would lose then.

There are lots of potential hypotheticals that fit the facts better than suggesting he's suddenly reversed all of his public beliefs. Maybe he thinks he'll win and get another day in the sun? Maybe he thinks he can profit from all the fame and attention he gets? Maybe like the other times he quit and came back he just doesn't really know what to do with himself when he's not fighting for his precious anti-EU cause.

There was a big spike in Brits giving up their citizenships as Britain voted for Brexit


Exclusive: The number of Brits wanting to hand in their passports hit a 13 year high in the year of the Brexit vote.
744 applied to renounce their citizenship in 2016.
Anti-hard Brexit campaigners say the spike should "send a shiver" down Theresa May's spine.
Home Office insists there is no link between the spike and Brexit.

LONDON — There was a surge in the number of people giving up their citizenship in the year of the Brexit vote, new figures obtained by Business Insider reveal.

A Freedom Of Information request by the Best for Britain campaign group shows that 741 people applied to hand over their British passports in 2016.

This was a 73% increase on 2015 and the highest number of renunciation requests since 2003, following the beginning of the Iraq war.

These figures follow data published by The Guardian this week which revealed that the number of Brits who have applied for French citizenship has increased tenfold over the last three years.

1,363 Brits applied for French citizenship in 2016. This was more than a 250% increase on the number of Brits who did so in 2015.

Tim Farron, former Lib Dem leader and champion of anti-hard Brexit group Best For Britain, said the new figures ought to "send a shiver down the spine" of Theresa May's government.

"People giving up our passport, be it maroon, black, or blue, is someone handing back part of themselves," Farron told Business Insider.

He added: "People want Britain to be open, tolerant and united and Brexit is ripping that all apart."

The Home Office said the spike should not be attributed to Britain's vote to leave the EU.

A spokesperson said: "Given the yearly variation, it is not possible to draw meaningful conclusions from the figures of those giving up their British Citizenship.

"There are a number of reasons why someone may seek to renounce British Citizenship, such as becoming a national of a country that does not allow dual citizenship."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vo ... rts-2018-1

Brexit: Voters would favour Remain in second referendum, finds poll

Poll comes after Brexit architect Nigel Farage signalled his support for a second referendum

A fresh vote on whether Britain should leave the European Union would overturn the result of the Brexit referendum, new polling has found.

The snap survey - conducted after Brexit architect Nigel Farage made an unexpected call for a second referendum - found 55 per cent would opt to remain in the EU and 45 per cent to leave if there was another vote. The original vote was 52 per cent to 48 per cent in favour of Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 54946.html

Remaining is now backed by an extremely slim majority of 51 per cent, versus 49 per cent who wish to leave the EU.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 95811.html