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Re: Brexit

#9301  Postby mrjonno » Sep 24, 2019 1:21 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Johnson is fucked. Watch the money flow.


Why most his supporters don't care if he lies, breaks the law , they don't care about parliament they care about brexit.

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
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Re: Brexit

#9302  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 24, 2019 1:50 pm

Alan B wrote:
Brexit: judges rule that Boris Johnson's proroguing of parliament was unlawful – live news


See Johnson thread:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2714625



Wow... I am surprised! :shock:

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Re: Brexit

#9303  Postby Ironclad » Sep 24, 2019 5:01 pm

It is a very very deep hole.
For Van Youngman - see you amongst the stardust, old buddy

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Re: Brexit

#9304  Postby Ironclad » Sep 24, 2019 5:01 pm

It is a very very deep hole.
For Van Youngman - see you amongst the stardust, old buddy

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Re: Brexit

#9305  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 24, 2019 8:15 pm

So deep, there's an echo!
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Re: Brexit

#9306  Postby Matt_B » Sep 24, 2019 8:42 pm

Gina Miller and Joanna Cherry are both on a hat-trick now.
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Re: Brexit

#9307  Postby ronmcd » Sep 24, 2019 10:12 pm

https://twitter.com/amcarmichaelMP/stat ... 7094264832
The Court’s unanimous ruling is devastating to the Prime Minister. It shows that he acted unlawfully and misled the nation. By any measure Boris Johnson is not fit to be PM. He should resign now.


Oh. My. Fucking. Jebus. What a hypocritical shit.


Isn't it terrible when a politician lies, gets caught lying, is found to have lied in a court of law, and yet they don't resign?

You're a hypocritical liar.

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Re: Brexit

#9308  Postby Animavore » Sep 25, 2019 5:54 pm

The Daily Fail.

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Re: Brexit

#9309  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 25, 2019 7:02 pm

Watching the session of parliament.

BJ continues to lie about being in negotiation with the EU.
BJ continues to try to defend prorogueing by appealing to longer terms of prorogue in the past.
BJ continues to staw-man the bill against No-Deal Brexit as the 'surrender' bill.
BJ continues to hypocritically criticise the opposition for being/acting undemocratically whilst also opposing any and all requests by the opposition to put issues up to a vote by parliament or the people.
When a member for Scotland asked the PM to uphold the democratic decision by the Scottish Parliament to uphold the majority vote for remain by a new indy-ref, he berated her for violating the democratic vote from the previous indy-ref.

*Edit and of course BJ and his cronies keep whinging about parliament not wanting to call for general elections while at the same time refusing to consider another referendum.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Brexit

#9310  Postby zerne » Sep 25, 2019 7:41 pm

Watching same. He's an arrogant, unrepentant, weasel.
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Re: Brexit

#9312  Postby ronmcd » Sep 25, 2019 9:08 pm

I don't know how Labour MPs can bear to listen to this.

Boris Johnson says the best way to respect the memory of Jo Cox is to ''deliver Brexit''. A statement so inflammatory and callous that it should catch in the throat of every reasonable person.


A thug like Johnson shouldn't even be speaking her name. Children have lost their mum, and Boris Johnson ramps up the rhetoric that led to her murder, disrespects the people that knew and loved her, and then tries to use her death to make a political point. An absolute disgrace.

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Re: Brexit

#9313  Postby mrjonno » Sep 27, 2019 6:58 am

Sadly as much as decent people despise everything Johnson is doing he is riding high in the polls with his people.

In the end to win an election you need what a 35-40% solid base that will vote for you whatever (including shooting someone in the street).

Johnson isn't the issue its the 15 million + scum who in this country who would vote for him, but hey that's a far too ugly truth for more small l liberals to cope with
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Re: Brexit

#9314  Postby GrahamH » Sep 27, 2019 7:14 am

Disturbing.

John Major is warning BJ has a cunning plan to get around the Benn act to get to no-deal.
Privy council order of council to postpone the act over the critical 19 - 31 Oct priod.


He said he feared that ministers would use their power to invoke an Order of Council - decision taken by ministers without involving the Queen - to suspend the legislation until after the end of October.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi ... ery-637557


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Re: Brexit

#9315  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 27, 2019 7:53 am

Today, Herr Reese-Mogg kept perpetuating the lie that the 2016 ref gave a mandate to the UK to leave the EU before October 31st (2019)
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Brexit

#9316  Postby ronmcd » Sep 27, 2019 8:08 am

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1177361043644981250

The Scottish National Party has come round to the idea that Jeremy Corbyn may shortly have to become temporary caretaker prime minister, in order to prevent a no-deal Brexit on 31 October and immediately afterwards hold a general election, I have learned...

A source close to the SNP leadership tells me that Ian Blackford, leader of the SNP in Westminster, and Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's First Minister, are deeply concerned that it may now be impossible to prevent a no deal Brexit unless Boris Johnson is removed from office...

One said: "It is increasingly clear that we will have to instal a new prime minister via a vote of no confidence, so that we can request a delay to Brexit and hold an election. The convention is absolutely clear that...

it is the leader of the opposition - in this case Jeremy Corbyn - who should become prime minister in those circumstances.
"Trying to find a compromise candidate, a national unity candidate, is too complicated, especially in the time we have. Whether people like it or not...

the temporary prime minister has to be Corbyn". The source added that the other opposition parties, and the 34 independent MPs, would have to come round to backing Corbyn, if they want to be certain of avoiding a no deal Brexit...

For the LibDems, led by Jo Swinson, seeing Corbyn as PM even for a short period may be too much to swallow. The 21 former Tory MPs expelled by Johnson for backing the Brexit-delaying Benn Act, and the former minister Amber Rudd who resigned from the Cabinet...

in solidarity with them, are also deeply hostile to the idea of Corbyn becoming PM, even for a few weeks. But according to a senior SNP member, the threats from Johnson and his senior aide Dominic Cummings that the Benn Act will prove ineffectual in blocking...

a no deal Brexit have to be taken "extremely seriously". One senior SNP MP told me that the party agrees with Sir John Major, the former Tory minister, who warned a few hours ago that Boris Johnson may use an order of council to delay the implementation of the Benn Act,...

the legislation forced on the PM by MPs whose purpose is to compel Johnson to request a Brexit postponement if he has not secured a new Brexit deal by 19 October. In a speech at the residence of the Spanish ambassador, Major said: “It is important to note that...

“an Order of Council can be passed by Privy Councillors – that is Government Ministers – without involving HM The Queen. I should warn the Prime Minister that – if this route is taken – it will be in flagrant defiance of Parliament and utterly...

“disrespectful to the Supreme Court. It would be a piece of political chicanery that no-one should ever forgive or forget". The combined forces of Labour and the SNP alone are not sufficient to bring down Johnson. And the motives of the SNP in swinging towards...

support for a temporary Corbyn premiership will be mistrusted by other opposition MPs, because opinion polls show that the SNP would win by a landslide in Scotland in any imminent general election. But opposition MPs are increasingly united in their unease at the way that...

Johnson is using emotional and provocative language - such as describing the Benn Act as the "Surrender" Act - to generate hostility against parliament among those who backed Brexit in the referendum...

Every opposition leader has described Johnson as "unfit to govern" since the Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that his five-week prorogation or suspension of parliament was unlawful.
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Re: Brexit

#9318  Postby mrjonno » Sep 27, 2019 8:11 am

To get Corbyn as a temporary PM it would need the support of the former Tories/independents.
That is a big ask, have any of them said anything on the matter?
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Re: Brexit

#9319  Postby GrahamH » Sep 27, 2019 10:34 am

This is another take, but it doesn't seem right to me.
Article 50 is EU law, of course, but the law enabling the executive to take us out is UK law:
European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

In addition the Benn act gives instruction to the UK PM so how could it conflict with EU law?

Advocates of the act believe it has effectively bound Boris Johnson’s hands, resulting necessarily in delaying Brexit until 31 January and removing the possibility of a no deal departure. </p><p>However, a closely guarded plan known to a small handful of aides would see the government point to the fact that Article 50 rests under EU law, while the Benn Act is enshrined in British law.

“European law usurps British law,” a source told City AM. “That means the Article 50 deadline trumps the Benn Act.”

Number 10 has repeatedly said it will comply with the law, while simultaneously insisting the UK will leave the EU by Halloween. This plan could see both seemingly contradictory statements come to fruition. 

One high ranking Tory MP described the plan as legal, albeit a “wheeze.”

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Re: Brexit

#9320  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 27, 2019 10:42 am

"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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