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Re: Democrat Watch

#2021  Postby arugula2 » Apr 09, 2022 7:31 am

I hadn't noticed - haven't looked at that thread in months... no time. :P

But actually it got moved from the Ukraine thread.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2022  Postby arugula2 » Apr 09, 2022 7:52 am

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At first, I was furious with Israel when they dragged their heels with not only Arafat but even with Abbas, who actually took a bullet from his own people for being a peace advocate.
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So at first, when Rabin and Arafat got together and the Oslo accords came through, I was over the moon at the thought that the Palestinians would finally have the separate state to which they'd been long entitled and for which the U.N. had explicitly called from the beginning. Arafat and Rabin had clearly earned the Nobel Peace Prize, and I viewed the Oslo accords in the same golden light in which I saw the collapse of the Berlin wall and the accession of Nelson Mandela. It was all part of a new world where peace and hope was emerging, and benchmarks were being laid down for decency and a functional world.

Then came Bosnia and the helplessness of the U.N. there, and in Israel a lowlife settler's bullet for Rabin. Oslo later threatened to unravel, and I later wondered if Peres and Shamir were really dedicated enough to peace compared with heroes like Abbas. Little did I guess that compared to what was coming and the abuses of Netanyahu, Peres and Shamir would seem like angels, looking back.

Netanyahu has descended to depths of depravity that I never thought I'd see in a post-Berlin-wall world. His refusal to properly confront the criminal settlers once and for all has made him a criminal too. He enabled them instead. His continued check points around the West Bank, his harrowing and persecution of Gaza, have hammered nail after nail into the Oslo coffin.....

Today, what do we see? We see that Netanyahu has gained virtual allies in his clearly criminal attempt to wreck the dream of two separate states. Who are those virtual allies? They are the pioneers in the B.D.S. movement. By implicitly pretending that Netanyahu has somehow rendered the dream of two states obsolete -- an absurd, obscene and immoral assumption on a par with the sick complacent assumption back in the 1850s that the South had somehow rendered Abolition impossible! -- they left-handedly work for a single state, which is a de facto recipe for genocide of either demographic by the other. Fellow travelers compound this obscenity by total ignorance on the essence of what is meant by apartheid. Yes, the policy of bantus for the subordinate demographic is reminiscent of apartheid. But what is unfolding elsewhere, inside the internationally recognized borders of Israel proper, bloody well isn't. Inside, it may still be deplorable for other reasons, yes, but it is not apartheid. Hyperbole, never mind abject historic ignorance, helps no one.

At this point, the cretins who throw around words like "apartheid", and such sick notions as the unstoppable death of two states, have even ended up with blood on their hands. The statistics for the concluding year or so of the last decade show that the greatest hate-crime spike has been against Jews. Abuses against Jewish students in campuses across the country have also ratcheted up in a direct parallel with the increased demonization of Israel. Whether by intent or not, advocacy for the Palestinians today has been coopted as a de facto antisemitic enterprise. Its DNA grows filthier by the day. I don't know if its integrity can ever be restored. I only know I no longer want any part of it. It has ended up as a de facto movement aimed at the total destruction of Israel, a step that Abbas or the U.N. would never have taken, on their angriest days.

None of this extenuates the horrors of what Israel has unleashed in Gaza one bit, nor the sheer desecration in what Netanyahu has done to Oslo. But modern-day advocates for Palestinians now fill me with as much distrust as ever I have felt and still feel for Netanyahu.

I first threw in my lot for a good part of my life with friends who shared my outrage over the treatment of the Palestinians. For me, siding with the Palestinians was obviously the only moral choice.

But when the tenor of the Palestinian cause here in the U.S. morphed this past decade into a widespread belief that Israel should never have been launched at all, that two states was somehow impossible (!!!!!!!!!), that the only good Jewish state was a dead one, I felt I'd been had for half my life. There is no hatred so intense as self-hatred and self-contempt. When, finally, one of my friends actually remarked that I shouldn't be so put out by and exercised over Israel's extremist settlers because "what else could one expect from greedy Jews", I not only severed all connections with him but grew to profoundly distrust almost anyone with an animus against Israel and to profoundly despise my own idiocy as well in having not seen the DNA of many a Palestinian advocate long before that "friend"'s "greedy Jew" remark.

Irrational? Maybe. But finally, when the BDS movement tacitly dispensed with the notion of two states altogether (!!!!), that was the final nail in the coffin. I am now so disgusted with my own stupidity and blindness at the associations I've cultivated that my consequent profound distrust of the DNA in any advocate for the Palestinians leads me to be suspicious first and ask questions second.


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I remember this one. I'll try my best to get back to it, sorry. (Hot slavic war takes up my 15 minutes of "silly" time.)
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2023  Postby felltoearth » Apr 11, 2022 5:58 pm

Ryan ain’t wrong…

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Re: Democrat Watch

#2024  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 11, 2022 6:11 pm

felltoearth wrote:Ryan ain’t wrong…

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He's not wrong, but he's also not quite right. It's not 'the Democrats' - it's how the entire process of democracy has evolved in the USA. Failing to score yourself 'corporate masters' makes you unelectable - it's a vicious cycle wherein the typical candidate that succeeds to attain high office has likely only attained that status by compromising the foundational principles of a representative democracy, no longer strictly representing those who elected them. Strings attached to the funds needed to compete in campaigning can rarely be proven, and it's not like anyone seems to care or expect otherwise - in that way, it's a lot like a typical Thai attitude to police corruption - it's just a fact of life and no one bats an eyelid.

No single person plotted for this horrible system to operate thus, but venal little men in their brief moments of bureaucratic or legislative power have stretched, pushed, pulled and looted as much as they could, and this has spiraled and compounded up until this dire contemporary situation - and absolutely nothing suggests it's going to get any better - democracies seem entirely enabling of systemic corruption as much as autocratic nations. Perhaps the one single qualification for holding power should be that the person has no desire whatsoever to hold power - stealth election, haha you were elected President, now you fucking solve all the shit! Not sure it could be much worse! :lol:
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2025  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Apr 11, 2022 7:01 pm

Spearthrower wrote:[… Perhaps the one single qualification for holding power should be that the person has no desire whatsoever to hold power …

in the words of Douglas Adams: „Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job“
or A.C. Clarke: „The best person for president is someone who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into office and then does his best to get an early release due to good conduct.“
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2026  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 11, 2022 10:03 pm

Agi Hammerthief wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:[… Perhaps the one single qualification for holding power should be that the person has no desire whatsoever to hold power …

in the words of Douglas Adams: „Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job“
or A.C. Clarke: „The best person for president is someone who has to be dragged kicking and screaming into office and then does his best to get an early release due to good conduct.“



:yay:

Fucking potlach it up. Wanna be President? Ok, take all your possessions and assets and toss them into the sea.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2027  Postby felltoearth » Apr 12, 2022 12:48 am

Just make it a game of hot potato.


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Re: Democrat Watch

#2028  Postby felltoearth » May 06, 2022 2:34 pm

Despite what Dems claim, it seems the GOP is concerned enough about progressive candidates winning that they are pouring money into primary races to oppose them.

Progressives, “Massively Outgunned,” Ditched Nina Turner
JUSTICE DEMOCRATS, the group that has launched several progressive members of Congress, said it’s being “massively outgunned” by Republican donors giving millions to attack progressive candidates in several competitive races. One of those was Tuesday’s Democratic primary in Ohio’s 11th District, where incumbent Rep. Shontel Brown won with 66 percent of the vote. The defeat of Nina Turner, the former co-chair of Sen. Bernie Sanders’s 2020 presidential campaign, deals a repetitive blow to progressives who backed her run — the second Turner waged against Brown in nine months.

“Nina is a giant in the progressive movement and we’re proud to have gone all in for her campaign last year,” Justice Democrats said in a statement. “The reality is our organization has to be strategic about our priorities as we are getting massively outgunned by Republican donors funneling millions to SuperPACs like AIPAC [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee] and DMFI [Democratic Majority for Israel] against our existing candidates.”



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Re: Democrat Watch

#2029  Postby The_Piper » Sep 02, 2022 1:14 pm

Biden actually made(did, spoke, gave?) a pretty good speech calling out Maga, though again he gave some so-called sane Republicans cover they clearly don't deserve ever again. Still, it's better than nothing. I liked the Dark Brandon lighting. :lol:
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2030  Postby Tortured_Genius » Oct 06, 2022 9:50 pm

Well the BBC's Bernd Debusmann Jr seems to have a handle on the stuff coming out prior to the US mid-terms

With this: Dog death, driving and emails: The strange history of the 'October surprise' (BBC)

followed with 24 hours by this: Hunter Biden could be charged with tax crimes (BBC)

Not sure whether this should have gone in the Republican watch thread since the "leak" from within the Department of Justice is so blatantly from Republican operatives given the source and timing. No doubt they'll play it up for all they can despite "their guy" potentially facing treason charges with far more cause.

For those who don't want to wade through it, Hunter Biden was unaware of any investigation, let alone been talked to about it by law enforcement and the whole thing will almost certainly go the same way as "her e-mails!" with no prosecutions.
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#2031  Postby Alan C » Oct 22, 2022 8:43 am

Gabbard being name-dropped on Russian propaganda-TV isn't a good look, but then she's jumped the shark [among other things] and buddied up with KKKarlson.
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#2032  Postby The_Piper » Sep 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Diane Feinstein did the obvious and passed away. She was 90. Why she didn't step down and enjoy a little of her life out of the limelight, I'll never know. Maybe because she had committed one or more financial crimes? I think she, and Republicans Burr and Kelly Loefler from Georgia were reported to have responded to an early warning meeting about covid by moving stocks around instead of telling the public about the danger. I don't know why that never turned into a criminal investigation. Maybe the evidence was flimsy.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#2033  Postby Tortured_Genius » Sep 29, 2023 4:47 pm

The_Piper wrote:just speculating on why a 90 year old who was a senator for decades didn't want to live out her final days in peace. :crazy:


Some people are like that - I'm getting to that age when you notice that the number of people who retire and are dead within a year is disproportionate, especially among those who are most "active". For some people, they live for doing the work they love.

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#2034  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 29, 2023 4:49 pm

Gardening's the thing to fill that gap and have an endless source of something in the future you're anticipating and working towards.
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#2035  Postby The_Piper » Sep 29, 2023 6:38 pm

Tortured_Genius wrote:
The_Piper wrote:just speculating on why a 90 year old who was a senator for decades didn't want to live out her final days in peace. :crazy:


Some people are like that - I'm getting to that age when you notice that the number of people who retire and are dead within a year is disproportionate, especially among those who are most "active". For some people, they live for doing the work they love.

(It's not necessarily a bad thing providing they enjoy it.)
No it's not a bad thing. Maybe it's a me thing, but I can't see being a senator as an easy or comfortable life. No matter what you do, someone is going to criticize it. Death threats. I'd rather clean toilets in a public restroom. And as a slight germophobe, that's not something I take lightly either. :lol:
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#2036  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 29, 2023 6:49 pm

I don't think those jobs are all that dissimilar in practice!
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#2037  Postby Seabass » Sep 29, 2023 6:54 pm

The_Piper wrote:Diane Feinstein did the obvious and passed away. She was 90. Why she didn't step down and enjoy a little of her life out of the limelight, I'll never know. Maybe because she had committed one or more financial crimes? I think she, and Republicans Burr and Kelly Loefler from Georgia were reported to have responded to an early warning meeting about covid by moving stocks around instead of telling the public about the danger. I don't know why that never turned into a criminal investigation. Maybe the evidence was flimsy.
I'm not saying Feinstein committed a crime, just speculating on why a 90 year old who was a senator for decades didn't want to live out her final days in peace. :crazy:


When some people get really old, they feel like they have to keep active, and keep doing what they've been doing. It helps them feel useful, and puts off facing mortality. Giving up what has been a huge part of one's life on account of old age means having to admit to oneself that the end is getting closer, and death is a scary proposition for most people.
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#2038  Postby The_Piper » Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am

Yeah the thought of not existing anymore is difficult and scary. Which is why if I make 90, I'll be reading/watching/listening to my favorite subjects rather than working. Hopefully! If it were up to Republicans social security would start at 91. :lol: :yuk:
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#2039  Postby The_Piper » Nov 18, 2023 8:49 pm

Dark Brandon, dark humor. :lol:
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