Dems back away from brink on Dreamers



https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/ ... own-293750

But I’d say they do not need to oppose abortion as they rule reguonally in blue populated states. There this is not an issue:
“We say we’re diverse and tolerant,” former Indiana State Rep. Dennie Oxley said, “but we’re really not tolerant of certain groups.”

“Some in the party, especially from metro areas, are not tolerant of other opinions, especially on guns and abortion,” Minnesota State Rep. Jeanne Poppe said. “It’s OK, if you’re liberal, to be intolerant.”

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When Hillary talks about needing more love and kindness in our lives, this is what she means...

On January 27, 1998, Hillary Clinton appeared on NBC's The Today Show, in an interview with Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends, that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here."

Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this—they have popped up in other settings. This is—the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."

Pelosi has reprised her role as key protecter of domestic warrantless eavesdropping — but this time with the benevolent, magnanimous, noble Democratic president long gone, and with those agencies instead under the leadership of a president who Pelosi and her supporters have long been maligning as an enemy of democracy, a criminal, a despot, and a racist cretin. For anyone (including Pelosi, Schiff, and Swalwell) who genuinely believes anything they’ve been saying about Trump over the last year, what conceivable justification can be offered now for Pelosi and her key allies blocking reasonable safeguards and limits on Trump’s warrantless domestic spying powers?

That leading House Democrats (their minority leader and top Intelligence Committee member) united with Trump to support this bill and oppose reform amendments, was sufficient to cause enough Democrats to side with Trump and ensure passage of the bill. The Trump-favored bill ended up passing by a vote of 256-164.

As the American Civil Liberties Union put it bluntly about the bill supported by Pelosi and Schiff: “The House just passed a bill to give the Trump administration greater authority to spy on Americans, immigrants, journalists, dissidents, and everyone else.” The privacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation echoed that sentiment: “The House just approved the disastrous NSA surveillance extension bill that will allow for continued, unconstitutional surveillance that hurts the American people and violates our Fourth Amendment rights.”

While Trump, as president, is the head of the executive branch, the official with the greatest control over the FBI they just empowered is his attorney general, Jeff Sessions. In other words, Pelosi, Schiff, and their allies just voted to vest great, unchecked power in an official the Democrats have (with good reason) long denounced as corrupt and deeply racist. As Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (who has vowed with Rand Paul to filibuster the bill when it reaches the Senate) put it yesterday: “This Section 702 bill would give AG Jeff Sessions unchecked power to use this information against Americans. This bill prevents his decisions from EVER being challenged in court.”

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Teague wrote:

Dems back away from brink on Dreamers



https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/ ... own-293750

Nice pic you cowards and well done for losing again. Can't wait for 2020 when you somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory you shills.

willhud9 wrote:

Teague wrote:

Dems back away from brink on Dreamers



https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/ ... own-293750

Nice pic you cowards and well done for losing again. Can't wait for 2020 when you somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory you shills.

It’s fucking easy to say Shutdown the government, fuck yea!


Until you actually apply brain cells to realize a government shutdown affects the poor and sick really fucking hard and it’s the cowardly tactic that the GOP was doing under Obama.

People who receive any government welfare get that freezed, people who receive Medicare get that freezed so they cannot renew prescriptions if they need to. People like my mom would be directly affected by a government shut down. So your self-righteous indignation is not only disgusting, but it is also selfish and ignorant.


Try again Teague.

Teague wrote:So basically so you don't fuck over people, you fuck over people.

Well done, Will - brilliant plan.

Willie71 wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Teague wrote:

Dems back away from brink on Dreamers



https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/ ... own-293750

Nice pic you cowards and well done for losing again. Can't wait for 2020 when you somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory you shills.

It’s fucking easy to say Shutdown the government, fuck yea!


Until you actually apply brain cells to realize a government shutdown affects the poor and sick really fucking hard and it’s the cowardly tactic that the GOP was doing under Obama.

People who receive any government welfare get that freezed, people who receive Medicare get that freezed so they cannot renew prescriptions if they need to. People like my mom would be directly affected by a government shut down. So your self-righteous indignation is not only disgusting, but it is also selfish and ignorant.


Try again Teague.

Why do Americans think the USA is so great? I can’t fathom your predicament here in Canada. Are you sure that’s how it works, and if so, why hasn’t there been a revolt overthrowing that shitty system yet?

Why is being firm on dreamers related to sick people getting meds in any way at all? Holy fuck that’s messed up!

willhud9 wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Teague wrote:

Nice pic you cowards and well done for losing again. Can't wait for 2020 when you somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory you shills.

It’s fucking easy to say Shutdown the government, fuck yea!


Until you actually apply brain cells to realize a government shutdown affects the poor and sick really fucking hard and it’s the cowardly tactic that the GOP was doing under Obama.

People who receive any government welfare get that freezed, people who receive Medicare get that freezed so they cannot renew prescriptions if they need to. People like my mom would be directly affected by a government shut down. So your self-righteous indignation is not only disgusting, but it is also selfish and ignorant.


Try again Teague.

Why do Americans think the USA is so great? I can’t fathom your predicament here in Canada. Are you sure that’s how it works, and if so, why hasn’t there been a revolt overthrowing that shitty system yet?

Why is being firm on dreamers related to sick people getting meds in any way at all? Holy fuck that’s messed up!

What do you fucking think happens when a government shuts down? That Congress is just forced to stick around? Spare me your condescending post. If Canada’s government faced a shutdown from gridlock you’d experience the same issues.

ike in America, Parliament can fail to pass a budget or estimates bill. This could jeopardize the flow of dollars from the Consolidated Revenue Fund (the pool of money collected through taxes and government revenue) to government departments and public servants. However, for Canadians in this case, we either go back to the ballot box to elect a new Parliament -- unlike in the U.S., we can go to an election at any time -- or the Governor General may ask the existing parties in Parliament to form a coalition.

Alison--But elections or coalition negotiations take time -- often months. What happens if government needs money during such a period and there is no Parliament? Why isn't the threat of service shutdown as severe in Canada?

Jane--I wasn't sure about this at first either, so I asked scholar Mark Jarvis, who told me that Canada fortunately has a back-up decision-maker in the Governor General, who can approve a Special Warrant that allows money to flow to the government without Parliament's approval.

Under law, this can only happen when three conditions are met: First, Parliament is dissolved (not prorogued). Second, a Minister indicates that the expenditure is urgent for the public good. And third, the President of the Treasury Board reports there is no money remaining for government to use. In this situation, the GG gives access to money from the Consolidated Revenue Fund. When a new Parliament is formed, it retroactively reviews any Special Warrant and approves them.

Most recently, Special Warrants were used in 2011, when Parliament was dissolved for the general election.

Alison --Well, why aren't we all breathing a sigh of relief to be here in Canada instead of dealing with the brinkmanship in the U.S.?

Jane--Brinkmanship and partisan squabbling still occurs in Canada, but there's less of a risk of gridlock here than in the U.S. A couple reasons for this. First of all, unlike in the U.S., where the President is elected by all Americans and remains as a separate entity outside of Congress, Canada's Prime Minister is elected as a Member of Parliament (currently by voters in Calgary Southwest) and must retain the confidence of the elected House of Commons to govern. This is easy enough to do in a majority situation for the PM's party, like the one we have right now. Though the Opposition may try to stop a budget from going through, the stakes are high for MPs to withhold support for a budget, even in a minority situation: MPs risk an election, a costly endeavour that doesn't always result in re-election (the turnover for MPs in the past election was over a third).

willhud9 wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Teague wrote:

Nice pic you cowards and well done for losing again. Can't wait for 2020 when you somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory you shills.

It’s fucking easy to say Shutdown the government, fuck yea!


Until you actually apply brain cells to realize a government shutdown affects the poor and sick really fucking hard and it’s the cowardly tactic that the GOP was doing under Obama.

People who receive any government welfare get that freezed, people who receive Medicare get that freezed so they cannot renew prescriptions if they need to. People like my mom would be directly affected by a government shut down. So your self-righteous indignation is not only disgusting, but it is also selfish and ignorant.


Try again Teague.

Why do Americans think the USA is so great? I can’t fathom your predicament here in Canada. Are you sure that’s how it works, and if so, why hasn’t there been a revolt overthrowing that shitty system yet?

Why is being firm on dreamers related to sick people getting meds in any way at all? Holy fuck that’s messed up!

What do you fucking think happens when a government shuts down? That Congress is just forced to stick around? Spare me your condescending post. If Canada’s government faced a shutdown from gridlock you’d experience the same issues.

Teague wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

It’s fucking easy to say Shutdown the government, fuck yea!


Until you actually apply brain cells to realize a government shutdown affects the poor and sick really fucking hard and it’s the cowardly tactic that the GOP was doing under Obama.

People who receive any government welfare get that freezed, people who receive Medicare get that freezed so they cannot renew prescriptions if they need to. People like my mom would be directly affected by a government shut down. So your self-righteous indignation is not only disgusting, but it is also selfish and ignorant.


Try again Teague.

Why do Americans think the USA is so great? I can’t fathom your predicament here in Canada. Are you sure that’s how it works, and if so, why hasn’t there been a revolt overthrowing that shitty system yet?

Why is being firm on dreamers related to sick people getting meds in any way at all? Holy fuck that’s messed up!

What do you fucking think happens when a government shuts down? That Congress is just forced to stick around? Spare me your condescending post. If Canada’s government faced a shutdown from gridlock you’d experience the same issues.

It's almost like you set these up sometimes, Will...

Why a Government Shutdown Would Never Happen in Canada
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