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Re: Democrat Watch

#1921  Postby Alan C » Oct 11, 2020 11:13 pm

OlivierK wrote:
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Seabass wrote:When that motherfucker croaks, I will throw a fucking block party.

I get that. He'd be third on my list of "people whose deaths will make the world a better place", after Putin and Murdoch.


Aye, I think it's fucked up that people like Murdoch are still around using up perfectly good oxygen while we lose people like Chadwick Boseman far too early.
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#1922  Postby Seabass » Oct 18, 2020 7:56 pm

With Dems like these, who needs Republicans?

Gavin Newsom vetoes bill to allow ranked-choice voting throughout California
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php
During a campaign bus trip to San Jose last year, a reporter asked Newsom if he planned to take San Francisco’s ranked-choice experience statewide.

Newsom just rolled his eyes.


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#1923  Postby arugula2 » Oct 31, 2020 5:55 am

Georgia might be the most interesting in the Senate races. There are 2, and Dems are either tied or ahead in both.

Raphael Warnock is polling at close to 50% in the special election, with 2 Repubs trailing at ~20 each, and the absolute waste of human flesh Matt Lieberman - son of the absolute waste of flesh Joe Lieberman - yo-yoing below 10%. If he dropped out, there's a decent chance Warnock wins in the first round.

John Ossoff is virtually tied with the Trump shit stain David Perdue.

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#1924  Postby arugula2 » Oct 31, 2020 6:16 am

Thommo wrote:That's pettifoggery. It implies no such misunderstanding and is not why I did not address it. She is perfectly entitled to wish him not dead and express that. She is perfectly reasonable when using standard idiom that is never* used literally.

As I said, I didn't respond to what I saw as vapid criticism for the simple reason I found it vapid. I expanded on my own view because it was challenged. If you treat my view as a direct response to a post when it wasn't that's the culprit of any misunderstanding that may have occurred.

The distinction matters. She did not "wish him not dead", and that is quite some gymnastics there. The_Piper already addressed this too, as have I. It's not pettifoggery.

If you are again demanding specific responses, then this:
"I don't think one needs to know what she's like "as a person"
is directly at odds with this:
"I'd wager it's a pantomime of "common decency" " and this "The idea of her bread-ticket dying spooked her", which are explicitly about her underlying beliefs and motives, i.e. what she's like as a person.

*In itself idiomatic.

Not at odds, since whatever guesses I might offer as to her thinking, one indeed does not need to know what she's like "as a person". One can judge her public pronouncements as whatever character she plays on TV. Which is what I've done.

Also - and I think this addresses another misunderstanding you've carried into the subsequent reply (I'll check after this) - no one is denying her the "right" to express that indecent comment. What you saw unfolding, and took to mischaracterizing in two ways, is the response to that indecent comment. She has every right to express herself as the public influencer that she plays on TV. I have every right to criticize her public spewings. I choose to do so when those spewings are revolting enough. It's not complicated.

As for the wishing itself... I haven't seen an attempt to defend it so far, other than to call it "decent", which it is not, for reasons already outlined, by at least two people here.
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#1925  Postby arugula2 » Oct 31, 2020 6:36 am

Thommo wrote:Sure, and if that's what she thinks (and I see no reason to contradict her regarding what she thinks), I can't see how she's not entitled to say it. If she is saying and meaning it, regardless of the fact I really dislike watching her TV programme, she's being compassionate and empathetic, which are qualities I admire. Though as I said, in all candour I can't quite manage to live up to those values in this instance (or quite overlook the conspicuous display of religiosity). I wish I could. :dunno: .

Yeah, I suppose I did glean it here too... No, she's not 'prohibited' from wishing him a speedy recovery, obviously.

And if this all hinges on an underlying appreciation for general well-wishing, where the person being wished well need only be human, then that's an easy-to-identify point of divergence, and I obviously disagree with you. I think certain people's demise or incapacitation, at certain moments in history, would be a great boon to humankind, would save a great number of lives, while ridding the world of an active blight. Falling short of identifying who and when, and under what circumstances, anyone can at least afford some doubt as to whether Trump recovering from the disease is absolutely a good thing. The well-wishing should be informed by that doubt (if it's there). If it's not, then I'm fascinated, and this becomes a different conversation. As a preamble, you might share your thoughts on Trump's active, willful role in the deaths of covid-19 victims and victims of white supremacist violence - plus the inmates he's killed by reactivating the federal death penalty, and the unarmed civilians he's killed abroad. Then we can try to square this with the "compassion" and "empathy" in her well-wishing.

When speculation enters it, my speculation is as plausible as anyone's. As consumed as Maddow is with promoting her brand, not only did she likely put a lot of thought into her post (as The_Piper says), but she almost certainly wants Trump to continue benefiting her career. And she might wager that wishing Trump a full and speedy recovery is just the sort of superficially sweet thing the MSNBC viewership, with a median age of 65, would reward her for.

As to whether or not Maddow's expressions are generally earnest, I hope nobody here thinks so. I've been listening to her since radio in the aughts, opposite Limbaugh, before even her podcast days, and long before she climbed the ranks at MSNBC. She's a fraud like Limbaugh (Jesus fucking Christ, that one’s taking forever to die) and I was able to discern this long before I'd formed an opinion about her supposed politics. If she's a different person in private, good on her. The Maddow who posted that tweet was on the clock.

And again, in case it gets lost... she gets to post her well-wishing, I get to point out the inherent grossness of it. Not complicated.

edited to add a voodoo curse for Limbaugh
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Re: Democrat Watch

#1926  Postby willhud9 » Nov 06, 2020 4:03 am

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 179057002/

Screw off, Spanberger. I voted for you, not because you are a moderate, but because you were a better option than the Trumpian, Freitas.
If Democrats want a blue wave y'all need to do a few things:
1) Ditch Nancy Pelosi. She is old news. Move someone younger and more charismatic to Democratic Leadership in the House.
2) Stop playing the reasonable moderate. It wasn't socialism that nearly cost us this election. It was voter apathy. What did Trump have that Biden did not? Base excitement. Biden (most likely) won due to the fact that he is NOT Trump. That is not excitement for a candidate.
3) Ditch, this appeal to reach across the isle and actually reignite your party. I'm not asking you to identify as socialist, because let's be honest here, universal healthcare, tax-funded higher education, and criminal justice reform are not socialist, but the bed-rock of a healthy and functioning society.
4) Stop taking your base for granted. Stop assuming "Progressives will vote for us because we aren't fascists." That is what leads to voter apathy. We aren't excited to vote. We may vote for Biden because he's not Trump, but for Congress? We don't care. We have no one to be excited for.
5) Finally, focus on younger members in the House and Senate and promote their ideals. Anyone over the age of 60 is suspect and questionable to me. Do you care about fixing this country or maintaining power? If its the latter, you have no business serving in the government.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#1927  Postby arugula2 » Nov 06, 2020 7:06 am

That’s a good first & second draft on your 2021 Assembly bid/announcement. So when do you start collecting signatures? ;)
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#1928  Postby Seabass » Nov 12, 2020 8:07 pm


Bernie Sanders: Corporate Democrats are attacking so-called far-left policies


I am very proud of the hard work that the progressive community put into electing Joe Biden as our next president.

And let’s be clear: This election was not just a normal election between two candidates. It was much more important than that. It was an election about retaining our democracy, preserving the rule of law, believing in science and ending pathological lying in the White House. And with a record-breaking turnout, the American people voted to reject President Donald Trump’s racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, religious bigotry and authoritarianism. That is very good news.

Even so, truth be told, the election results in the House and Senate were disappointing. Despite Joe Biden winning the popular vote by more than 5 million votes, the Democrats lost seats in the House and, so far, have only picked up one seat in the Senate.

Now, with the blame game erupting, corporate Democrats are attacking so-called far-left policies like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal for election defeats in the House and the Senate. They are dead wrong.

Here are the facts:

►112 co-sponsors of Medicare for All were on the ballot in November. All 112 of them won their races.

►98 co-sponsors of the Green New Deal were on the ballot in November. Only one of them have lost an election.

It turns out that supporting universal health care during a pandemic and enacting major investments in renewable energy as we face the existential threat to our planet from climate change is not just good public policy. It also is good politics. According to an exit poll from Fox News, no bastion of socialism, 72% of voters favored the change “to a government-run health care plan” and 70% of voters supported “increasing government spending on green and renewable energy.”

The lesson is not to abandon popular policies like Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, living wage jobs, criminal justice reform and universal child care, but to enact an agenda that speaks to the economic desperation being felt by the working class — Black, white, Latino, Asian American and Native American. People are hurting, and they are crying out for help. We must respond.

All over America, voters approved progressive policies to improve the lives of millions of people:

►Florida voters passed an initiative to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

►Colorado voted to provide 12 weeks of paid family leave.

►Arizona voted to increase taxes on those making over $250,000 to increase funding for public education.

►Voters in Arizona, Montana, New Jersey and South Dakota voted to move away from the “war on drugs” and approved legalizing marijuana.

The American people are sick and tired of seeing billionaires and Wall Street become much richer, while veterans sleep out on the streets, our infrastructure crumbles and young people leave school deeply in debt.

They want a government that works for all, not just the few. That’s the right thing to do, that’s the moral thing to do and, for the Democratic Party, that is the way to win elections.

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#1929  Postby arugula2 » Nov 12, 2020 8:15 pm

“Corporate democrats” in his own words. :lol: He’s doing the lord’s work, bless.

Anyway, let’s see how long this corporatist grift lasts. Every progressive incumbent with maybe one halfway-exception retained their seat, including in swing districts. Gains were progressive gains. Just about every loss was a mediocre “moderate” who stood for absolutely nothing, and actively mocked the idea of universal healthcare & living wages (looking at you Shalala). The state legislatures failed to shift from GOP, thanks to almost complete apathy in the Dem leadership... but there’s a whole lotta progressives suddenly in power there as well, particularly in New York State & Rhode Island.

Oh and, small factoid: organizing by labor unions in the southwest & in Philly probably handed Trump the defeat. Corporatist Dems need to go extinct, and quick.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#1930  Postby laklak » Nov 12, 2020 9:05 pm

arugula2 wrote:Georgia might be the most interesting in the Senate races. There are 2, and Dems are either tied or ahead in both.


Yeah, it's going to be very interesting. In the Ossoff / Perdue race the Libertarian vote could be the winning difference.

There were 20 (count 'em, folks, 20) candidates in the other race, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents. Vote breakdown is GOP 2,442,219 Dem 2,373,656 Independent 59,130. Libertarian 50,666 (if I didn't fuck up the calculator). Again it's down to the Libertarians and Independents.

But the biggest factor, IMO, is turnout, historically lower in run-offs.

Pretty much still a crap shoot.
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Re: Democrat Watch

#1931  Postby arugula2 » Nov 12, 2020 10:01 pm

Lower turnout is almost always bad for Dems. Biden only got pushed ahead in Georgia by a combination of fed-up white Repub men who only replaced the top of the ticket, plus a rainbow coalition of Dem voters who had to be wrangled by street-level organizers with little help from the Dem party. I doubt the Repub men have lost motivation to show up, and I'm 99% sure the rainbow coalition has. (Not least of the reasons being, both Dem candidates are status quo candidates.)
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#1932  Postby willhud9 » Nov 13, 2020 12:22 am

arugula2 wrote:“Corporate democrats” in his own words. :lol: He’s doing the lord’s work, bless.

Anyway, let’s see how long this corporatist grift lasts. Every progressive incumbent with maybe one halfway-exception retained their seat, including in swing districts. Gains were progressive gains. Just about every loss was a mediocre “moderate” who stood for absolutely nothing, and actively mocked the idea of universal healthcare & living wages (looking at you Shalala). The state legislatures failed to shift from GOP, thanks to almost complete apathy in the Dem leadership... but there’s a whole lotta progressives suddenly in power there as well, particularly in New York State & Rhode Island.

Oh and, small factoid: organizing by labor unions in the southwest & in Philly probably handed Trump the defeat. Corporatist Dems need to go extinct, and quick.


Agreed.

As AOC put it on twitter. John Kasich did not deliver Ohio for Democrats.

These moderate Republicans also voted for Trump as well as Biden. They were not a demographic we needed to win over.

What really mattered and will continue to matter is by making all votes count and by allowing easier access to voting.

Black Lives Matter activists in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. these were the votes that stepped up in key parts of the state.

These moderate Democrats say they want to be bipartisan but my question is with whom? What Republicans are really actively working with Democrats in Congress?
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#1933  Postby arugula2 » Nov 28, 2020 5:45 am

Those unruly gays and negroes... being honest on TV, exposing media grift... :nono: What is the party coming to?



I can't be bothered to check, but I'm going to assume that Bowman's tweet @10:03 PM on the 24th, was immediately following that "interview":

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#1934  Postby arugula2 » Nov 28, 2020 6:22 am

Emanuel's polite-racist neoliberal sociopathy goes beyond Chicago... Obama's memoir claims he was "obsessed" with his boss's foreign kill lists. Also, of himself he writes:
In places like Yemen and Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, the lives of millions of young men...had been warped and stunted by desperation, ignorance, dreams of religious glory, the violence of their surroundings, or the schemes of older men. They were dangerous, these young men, often deliberately and casually cruel. Still, in the aggregate, at least, I wanted somehow to save them — send them to school, give them a trade, drain them of the hate that had been filling their heads...

And yet the world they were a part of, and the machinery I commanded, more often had me killing them instead.

I'm going to wait a few months before pirating a copy, but... I'll bet this detached sociopathic brag doesn't even hint at the hundreds/thousands of collateral casualties.

In his endless self-promotion, this soulless child-killer made a "surprise appearance" at a Chicago high school this week, to announce the kids would be getting a free PDF copy of this memoir. The same kids whose school system Emanuel systematically attacked as mayor of Chicago. In which a student's lynching by a cop Emanuel covered up long enough to win a 2nd term.

Emanuel isn't even the most odious of the would-be members of Biden's team. It's getting pretty fucking hard to keep up with those disgusting lists...
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#1935  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 28, 2020 8:16 am

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In his endless self-promotion, this soulless child-killer


Oh, stop. You're starting to sound like these folks, who are unashamedly announcing God is on their side:

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#1936  Postby arugula2 » Nov 28, 2020 9:58 am

5-syllable adverb. Argument-free assertion. Always a bore.

You reacted to my point about Obama having not just killed children - always brown children, and always poor - but brags about it in his retirement years, and doesn't even pretend to have complicated feelings about it. That's why I'm wasting time acknowledging your trolling existence. The topic is important. I invite you to say something meaningful about it, if you can.
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#1937  Postby Seabass » Dec 09, 2020 8:57 pm

Remember this when this corporate douche inevitably runs for president. And then end up having to vote for him anyway because his Republican opponent will be a thousand times worse... :sigh:


Companies part of group founded by CA governor collectively get nearly $3 million in PPP loans, data shows


SAN FRANCISCO -- At least eight companies partially owned by Gov. Gavin Newsom collectively received millions of dollars from the Paycheck Protection Program, according to an ABC7 analysis.

While data released by the Small Business Administration earlier this year showed the PlumpJack Group received up to $350,000 worth of PPP loans, newly-released data by the SBA indicated PlumpJack businesses - including wineries, bars, and restaurants - received more than eight times that amount at nearly $3 million altogether.

In 2018, Gov. Newsom placed his ownership interests in the PlumpJack Group into a blind trust. This means he would have no knowledge or role in the company's business decisions made during his time in office.

The ABC7 I-Team discovered discrepancies between that company's SBA data and publicly available records that appear to raise questions about how much money some companies received under the program.

ABC7's analysis found at least nine companies affiliated with the PlumpJack Group received PPP loans.

One of the companies on the list is Villa Encinal Partners Limited Partnership. State records indicate the name is traced back to the PlumpJack winery in Napa. San Francisco billionaire Gordon Getty is an investor.

According to SBA data, the company received a loan for $918,720 on April 14, 2020.

In order for the loan to be forgiven, the SBA requires at least 60 percent be used to cover their wages. Based on SBA's data, Villa Encinal Partners LP retained 14 employees. Hypothetically, if divided equally, each of them would've received around $40,000 to cover their payroll over a period of three months - that would amount to an annual salary of around $160,000 per employee.

"It's unexpected for a 14 employee organization to get nearly $1 million," said Sean Moulton, a senior policy analyst with Project on Government Oversight (POGO). He specializes in tracking PPP funds. "The purpose behind this program was to save entry-level jobs, people going in and working on that paycheck. That was what we put this out there for, to stop unemployment."

The average small business loan for California companies retaining 14 employees was roughly $128,000. Yet, the PlumpJack entity Villa Encinal Partners LP - that according to SBA data also retained 14 employees - received more than seven times that amount at $918,720.

ABC7's analysis found the only other California winery that received close to the same loan amount as Villa Encinal Partners LP is Oak Knoll Farming Corp, which retained 79 employees - more than five times as many as Villa.

The average number of employees retained for every California winery that received more than $900,000 worth of PPP funding is 148.

The Millbrae Pancake House received a $431,400 loan and retained 53 employees. As a comparison, that's less than half of what Villa received and Burke retained nearly four times as many employees.

"That seems unfair because there are small family businesses like ours that need that money," owner of the restaurant Erin Burke said.

After 60 years of operating, Burke was forced to shut down her family-owned business on Nov. 29.

"We're just trying to do the best that we can and survive," she said. "That money wasn't enough."

The San Francisco Chamber of Commerce reports a majority of small businesses that struggled to get PPP loans say the loan size wasn't enough or the owner misunderstood the application.

"I think it's heartbreaking," said Jay Cheng, the organization's public policy director. "We see huge discrepancies between small business and the kind of loans they got and their ability to get loans and larger companies that are well-resourced and well-staffed and had strong relationships with their banks."

Another company affiliated with the PlumpJack Group is Balboa Cafe Partners LP that received a $506,799 loan on April 29, 2020. A commercial data firm estimated in June 2020 that Balboa Café Partners employed seven individuals, but SBA data associated with their loan application states they retained 55 employees.

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#1938  Postby arugula2 » Dec 18, 2020 1:15 am

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#1939  Postby arugula2 » Jan 06, 2021 2:21 am

Georgia may surprise.

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#1940  Postby The_Piper » Jan 06, 2021 2:54 am

I've been watching their leads disintegrate on CNN, but it doesn't matter until the counting is over anyway. There's an article that Pence told Trump he can't steal the election for him.
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