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#141  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 2:56 pm

Be careful what you ask for. I really don't think you'd be happy if I started questioning the info in your links spearthrower. By the upset way you've reacted so far, is it even worth it? Or are you just going to kick and scream whenever anyone dares to disagree with you? I can usually tell when someone has it in their head that they're always right, and you fit the profile.
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#142  Postby felltoearth » Apr 27, 2019 2:56 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:There I was thinking that it was climate change believers that had to prove their position.

Here you do. 261 pages of posts. Have at ‘er.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post1472022.html
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#143  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 2:58 pm

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2691868

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:Could you provide some evidence? I don't need a huge list of links, just one or two.


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2691870




http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2691886

Spearthrower wrote:A thoroughly comprehensive review of the physical basis for the UN's position on climate change
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

The Royal Society of Science:
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy ... unique.PDF

The scientific evidence is now overwhelming that the climate is warming and that human activity is largely responsible for this change through emissions of greenhouse gases.

...

Any international policy response to climate change must be rooted in the latest scientific evidence. This indicates that if we are to have a reasonable chance of limiting global warming in this century to 2°C relative to the pre-industrial period, we must transition to a zero-carbon world by early in the second half of the century.

To achieve this transition, governments should demonstrate leadership by recognising the risks climate change poses, embracing appropriate policy and technological responses, and seizing the opportunities of low-carbon and climate-resilient growth.



22 Commonwealth Countries Consensus Statement on Climate Change

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/news/2 ... h-2018.pdf

The consensus view of the global climate science communitybased on currentevidence is that avoiding the worst impacts of climate change will require concerted global action to reduce atmospheric carbon.A target to limit warmingto below 2°C above pre-industrial levels was recognised by 160 nations that ratified the 2015 Paris Agreement on Climate Change; a bold and vital step towards addressing climate change.Meeting this target will requireachieving net-zero global greenhouse gas emissions in the second half of the Centuryfollowed by active decarbonisation of the atmosphere


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2692667

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Seeing as there's no credible evidence that man made global warming is real, ...


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news- ... l#p2692715

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:Sorry but I'm accustomed to having real one on one conversations. If you feel the need to defend your position to a complete stranger, at least do so in your own words. I don't think that's too much to ask for, but equally if you don't want to bother that's fine too. No one is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do.



So, you asked for evidence. Evidence was given. You ignored the evidence and repeated your claim without bothering to substantiate it and also directly ignoring that your statement was contradicted by the existence of evidence you had already been supplied. Then finally to wiggle your way out of it, you decided to make up a new rule where people had to report on climate change 'in their own words'.

And now you're back to pretending that man-made climate change hasn't been evidenced.

That's just trolling, and it is very stupid trolling too.
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#144  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 3:02 pm

What are the credentials of the people who signed the concensus statement?
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#145  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 27, 2019 3:03 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:What are the credentials of the people who signed the concensus statement?


You could look it up. Wanna be a skeptic? Learn how to do research. Better yet, never ask a question when you don't already know the answer.
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#146  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 3:03 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:Be careful what you ask for. I really don't think you'd be happy if I started questioning the info in your links spearthrower.


Well, you think wrong. Of course, we both know it's not going to happen as you keep ignoring evidence you don't want to acknowledge.

Anyway, it's not like you possess the competence to challenge the world's climate scientists... or do you really believe you're so capable?

Either which way, please feel free to try.


Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:By the upset way...


Ahh good old tone-trolling. I suppose you're running out of cards now.


Pridefel Knowitelz wrote: you've reacted so far, is it even worth it?


Is it worth it for you to regain some degree of integrity? I don't know: that's for you to decide. For me, I am currently comfortably sitting on the fact that your confident assertions based on nothing whatsoever are contradicted by dozens of national science academies and the comprehensive findings of the UN research into the physical evidence for man-made climate change.


Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:Or are you just going to kick and scream whenever anyone dares to disagree with you?


Are you going to keep trying the same silly trolling or are you going to muster an ounce of integrity?


Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:I can usually tell when someone has it in their head that they're always right, and you fit the profile.


Coming from the guy who thinks he has the ability to challenge the scientific output of hundreds of scientists from across the world! :)

Again, probably best if you tone your personalizations back as you're doing yourself no favours. Everyone here is well versed in how cognitive bias operates, and familiar with rhetorical strategies used by people who are all bluster but have nothing under the hood.
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#147  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 3:04 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:What are the credentials of the people who signed the concensus statement?



I linked it for you: feel free to check for yourself if you want to make a case based on delegitimizing the hundreds of scientists working for national academies of science.
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#148  Postby surreptitious57 » Apr 27, 2019 3:05 pm

Any claim has to be substantiated regardless of who makes it or what it is

Now you have claimed that there is no evidence that global warming is real
And therefore the onus is on you to falsify all the claims which say it is real

If you are just expressing your opinion you dont need to do this
Because there is no standard of rigour required to justify them
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#149  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 3:06 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Everyone here is well versed in how cognitive bias operates


How many members does this forum have? Did you speak to them all?
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#150  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 27, 2019 3:06 pm

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#151  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 3:07 pm

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Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:What are the credentials of the people who signed the concensus statement?



I linked it for you: feel free to check for yourself if you want to make a case based on delegitimizing the hundreds of scientists working for national academies of science.


Ok so a bunch of people signed something to say that they share an opinion. Noted.
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#152  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 3:08 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Everyone here is well versed in how cognitive bias operates


How many members does this forum have? Did you speak to them all?



Where did I claim to speak for them?

I described them.
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#153  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 3:09 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Ok so a bunch of people signed something to say that they share an opinion. Noted.


Not quite.

A bunch of experts in climate science from all over the world co-signed a declaration via their national scientific academies that the evidence in their specialist fields shows beyond reasonable doubt that human activity is causing drastic climate change.
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#154  Postby newolder » Apr 27, 2019 3:15 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:What are the credentials of the people who signed the concensus statement?


The 97% consensus view is discussed at the following links:

The 97% consensus on global warming

and a skeptic’s view on the 97% claim @Forbes magazine:
Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

Clearly the consensus view is much greater than the 52% UK referendum vote on discontinuing its EU membership.

How (if at all) does this information affect your own position?
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Re: Extinction Rebellion are on point.

#155  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 3:18 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Ok so a bunch of people signed something to say that they share an opinion. Noted.


Not quite.

A bunch of experts in climate science from all over the world co-signed a declaration via their national scientific academies that the evidence in their specialist fields shows beyond reasonable doubt that human activity is causing drastic climate change.


Yeah ok, noted. However as a layman I reserve the right to disagreement. I shall not change my mind based on their consensus., sorry. You and I shall have to agree to disagree. I assume that's not against the forum rules.
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#156  Postby surreptitious57 » Apr 27, 2019 3:24 pm

Its actually good that you dont simply take them at their word because that is just what a skeptic is expected to do
Now comes the hard part : looking at the evidence as objectively as possible and deciding if it supports their claims
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#157  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 27, 2019 3:31 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Yeah ok, noted. However as a layman I reserve the right to disagreement. I shall not change my mind based on their consensus., sorry. You and I shall have to agree to disagree. I assume that's not against the forum rules.



Fine, you're not obliged to accept reality. But of course, your layman's opinion on a specialist scientific topic is about the value of a bucket full of gazelle jizz minus the bucket.
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#158  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 27, 2019 3:33 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Yeah ok, noted. However as a layman I reserve the right to disagreement. I shall not change my mind based on their consensus., sorry. You and I shall have to agree to disagree. I assume that's not against the forum rules.



Fine, you're not obliged to accept reality. But of course, your layman's opinion on a specialist scientific topic is about the value of a bucket full of gazelle jizz minus the bucket.


Man made climate change being reality, that's your opinion.
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#159  Postby felltoearth » Apr 27, 2019 4:37 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
Yeah ok, noted. However as a layman I reserve the right to disagreement. I shall not change my mind based on their consensus., sorry. You and I shall have to agree to disagree. I assume that's not against the forum rules.



Fine, you're not obliged to accept reality. But of course, your layman's opinion on a specialist scientific topic is about the value of a bucket full of gazelle jizz minus the bucket.


Man made climate change being reality, that's your opinion.

No it’s an established fact by the signatories posted at the above link.
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