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Re: Extinction Rebellion are on point.

#81  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 21, 2019 11:36 am

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Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:Could you provide some evidence? I don't need a huge list of links, just one or two.


Your one stop shop.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... tart-here/


Is that an impartial source?


Science is impartial by nature.


Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be science. But the source itself, is that impartial?
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#82  Postby Animavore » Apr 21, 2019 11:38 am

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Is that an impartial source?


Science is impartial by nature.


Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be science. But the source itself, is that impartial?


It's a scientific resource with contributions from actual scientists. So yes.
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#83  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 21, 2019 11:49 am

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Is that an impartial source?


Science is impartial by nature.


Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be science. But the source itself, is that impartial?


It's a scientific resource with contributions from actual scientists. So yes.


I see. What makes these contributors "actual scientists" as opposed to "pretend scientists"? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who do not agree with your "actual scientists". Hence why I'm asking you if this is an impartial source.
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#84  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 11:59 am

It's an impartial source if you bothered to actually look at who they are.

The current permanent contributors to content on this site are:
Gavin Schmidt
https://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/gschmidt/
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Michael Mann
Michael E. Mann
Filed under: Contributor Bio's — mike @ 6 December 2004
Dr. Michael E. Mann is Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State University, with joint appointments in the Department of Geosciences and the Earth and Environmental Systems Institute (EESI). He is also director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center (ESSC).

Rasmus Benestad
Ray Bradley
Stefan Rahmstorf
Eric Steig
David Archer
Ray Pierrehumbert


Not sure how you square factual evidence with any sort of "opinion".
There are virtually no credible scientist in disagreement about AGW and all are tainted with funding from fossil fuel companies.

Thought your ilk had crawled away under the their rocks when Exxon stopped the funding :roll:

You do understand that Exxon scientists knew the score on CO2 over 40 years ago? :coffee:
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#85  Postby Animavore » Apr 21, 2019 12:01 pm

Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
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Science is impartial by nature.


Of course, otherwise it wouldn't be science. But the source itself, is that impartial?


It's a scientific resource with contributions from actual scientists. So yes.


I see. What makes these contributors "actual scientists" as opposed to "pretend scientists"? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who do not agree with your "actual scientists". Hence why I'm asking you if this is an impartial source.


They are scientists in the relevant field who have contributed peer-reviewed articles.

As for scientists who "disagree", all you can do is read them both and decide for yourself who is more internally consistent and which side pull the facts and evidence from disparate fields together in a way which is more consilient and which contradict the facts and themselves.
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#86  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 21, 2019 12:07 pm

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Could you provide some evidence? I don't need a huge list of links, just one or two.



It would help if you were a little more specific.

What is it specifically you want evidence for?

Regardless, I will link to source what I already said:

A thoroughly comprehensive review of the physical basis for the UN's position on climate change
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

The Royal Society of Science:
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy ... unique.PDF

The scientific evidence is now overwhelming that the climate is warming and that human activity is largely responsible for this change through emissions of greenhouse gases.

...

Any international policy response to climate change must be rooted in the latest scientific evidence. This indicates that if we are to have a reasonable chance of limiting global warming in this century to 2°C relative to the pre-industrial period, we must transition to a zero-carbon world by early in the second half of the century.

To achieve this transition, governments should demonstrate leadership by recognising the risks climate change poses, embracing appropriate policy and technological responses, and seizing the opportunities of low-carbon and climate-resilient growth.



22 Commonwealth Countries Consensus Statement on Climate Change

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/news/2 ... h-2018.pdf

The consensus view of the global climate science communitybased on currentevidence is that avoiding the worst impacts of climate change will require concerted global action to reduce atmospheric carbon.A target to limit warmingto below 2°C above pre-industrial levels was recognised by 160 nations that ratified the 2015 Paris Agreement on Climate Change; a bold and vital step towards addressing climate change.Meeting this target will requireachieving net-zero global greenhouse gas emissions in the second half of the Centuryfollowed by active decarbonisation of the atmosphere




With all due respect, but if you were unaware of the scientific consensus on human caused climate change, then you really shouldn't be tossing out denials of it in public. You're doing yourself, your fellow human beings, and all the glorious organisms sharing this planet a serious disservice.
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#87  Postby Ironclad » Apr 21, 2019 12:11 pm

Emma Thompson takes a long haul flight from west coast USA to show solidarity with climate change activists battling to urge the world to pollute less. How amusing.
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#88  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 21, 2019 12:17 pm

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I see. What makes these contributors "actual scientists" as opposed to "pretend scientists"? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who do not agree with your "actual scientists". Hence why I'm asking you if this is an impartial source.



You feel ill. You go to your doctor and after many examinations and tests, your doctor regretfully informs you that have a very dangerous disease which could prove fatal; but good news - there's a treatment available.

You decide to go for a 2nd opinion. That's reasonable. After all, the treatment is expensive, and even a doctor makes mistakes sometimes. The 2nd doctor does the same tests and confirms the original doctor's diagnosis.

Still skeptical, you decide to go to a 3rd doctor who then does tests, confirms the same diagnosis.

You keep going to more and more doctors, each confirming the same diagnosis.

99 doctors all perform a variety of tests and all arrive at the same independent conclusion.

Is it still reasonable to be skeptical? Or is it now denial?

Regardless, you go to the 100th doctor who tells you it's all a load of baloney and you will enjoy a long and healthy life.

Do you now believe the 100th doctor? Do you understand the value of consensus arrived at through independent evaluation? Or do you risk your life on the outlier?
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#89  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 21, 2019 12:17 pm

Ironclad wrote:Emma Thompson takes a long haul flight from west coast USA to show solidarity with climate change activists battling to urge the world to pollute less. How amusing.



Why is that amusing?
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#90  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 12:20 pm

There is no issue doing that if she buys carbon offsets which most would that are after carbon neutral.
The carbon offset cost for that flight is peanuts and would be offered by her airline.
SFO-JFK offset costs €6


My round trip to Cairns from Toronto including the stops is about 2 tons thos likely less on a Dreamliner which is more fuel efficient per person than a Prius with 4 passengers. $30-40 cost.

https://www.icao.int/environmental-prot ... fault.aspx

You really have to get by that repugly talking point Jesse
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#91  Postby Ironclad » Apr 21, 2019 1:05 pm

Well in that case we've saved the world. I can sleep much easier now, many thanks.


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#92  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 1:07 pm

No but you need to stop dinging people for irrelevancies. Misdirected cynicism. :roll:

Put your energy into electing a gov who can lead in carbon reduction on a large scale. :coffee:
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#93  Postby Animavore » Apr 21, 2019 1:09 pm

I don't understand how carbon offsets work. Are they using the money to store carbon?
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#94  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 1:13 pm

Some are - tree planting etc ....there is a huge variety. Something like funding mass production of fuel efficient cook stoves can be very effective in reducing carbon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offset

There is a world carbon market and there are hundreds of programs some better than others and you can choose which types you want to support. All are based on efforts that would not or could not be undertaken without the offset program funding.

I can't build a windfarm but I can support one that otherwise would not be built. I tend to like programs that combine health and water projects with carbon reduction.

https://www.globalcarbonproject.org/car ... lyStep.htm
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#95  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 21, 2019 1:21 pm

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They're not impartial.
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#96  Postby Animavore » Apr 21, 2019 1:22 pm

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They're not impartial.

It's the science that's impartial.
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#97  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 1:24 pm

Hopeless. Just another right wing denier with not a shred of sense or scientific understanding.
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#98  Postby Pridefel Knowitelz » Apr 21, 2019 1:26 pm

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They're not impartial.

It's the science that's impartial.


Well ok I'm sure everything they say sounds convincing, but I do prefer to hear both sides of a story before I make up my mind. I remember in the late 80s people were talking about the amazon rainforest like it was a huge catastrophe spelling the end of the world. Now, not a peep. It's the same with this, no one will be talking about it next year. Let's just say I'm highly skeptical. I won't be losing sleep over so called man made climate change.
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#99  Postby Animavore » Apr 21, 2019 1:33 pm

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They're not impartial.

It's the science that's impartial.


Well ok I'm sure everything they say sounds convincing, but I do prefer to hear both sides of a story before I make up my mind. I remember in the late 80s people were talking about the amazon rainforest like it was a huge catastrophe spelling the end of the world. Now, not a peep. It's the same with this, no one will be talking about it next year. Let's just say I'm highly skeptical. I won't be losing sleep over so called man made climate change.

The destruction of the Amazon and other rain forests is still a big concern. :what:

That's fine. You sleep well. Leave the work to others.
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#100  Postby Macdoc » Apr 21, 2019 1:43 pm

There are not two sides to facts ....and your science knowledge is at the level of the spelling of your nick :nono:

Maybe stop reading your right wing shite and try some science for fuck sakes ....you are a caricature

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