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Florida's first black State Attorney Pulled over

#1  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 13, 2017 5:05 pm

Bad day for this Florida officer.

In fairness Aramis Ayala, the attorney in the video, says that the stop was lawful, but that it is a "teachable moment" about profiling.

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#2  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 13, 2017 5:16 pm

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#3  Postby Warren Dew » Jul 13, 2017 5:31 pm

How can the traffic stop be "lawful" if she "violated no laws"? Or is she just saying speeding laws or whatever don't apply to state officials the way they do to ordinary people?
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#4  Postby Weaver » Jul 13, 2017 5:36 pm

If your windows are tinted, even within the law, the law will pull you over "just to check". (Because apparently laws setting limits on window tint, supposedly for officer safety AFTER pulling someone over, don't really matter when they can be used as an excuse to pull you over anyhow).

But if you don't have tinted windows, and you're silly enough to be a minority, they'll see that and pull you over for DWB. (In the daytime, at least - comparing day vs night data is one of the best ways to show that the excessive numbers of minorities subject to traffic stops is due to police bias rather than any sort of actual wrongdoing on the part of the motorists - the racial disparities disappear at night.)
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#5  Postby Weaver » Jul 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Warren Dew wrote:How can the traffic stop be "lawful" if she "violated no laws"? Or is she just saying speeding laws or whatever don't apply to state officials the way they do to ordinary people?

As the second post tangentially shows, it's because, like many officials, the licence plate registration information for the State Attorney likely isn't searchable by most cops - it's confidential information. Thus, when they routinely ran the tag, it came back "not on file".

Dumb way to protest sensitive information, and puts the "protected" at greater risk - but what else can you do when you know damn well that there are people who will improperly access that information for nefarious purposes?
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#6  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 13, 2017 6:24 pm

Warren Dew wrote:How can the traffic stop be "lawful" if she "violated no laws"? Or is she just saying speeding laws or whatever don't apply to state officials the way they do to ordinary people?


From my understanding, the stop was lawful because there was an issue with how the tags returned when they ran it, that with the windows being tinted they claimed they could not see who was in the car. But I have doubts that they just randomly ran the tags.
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#7  Postby laklak » Jul 13, 2017 6:30 pm

I don't understand the tag number thing. It's illegal in Florida for any non-LEO to pull tag information, the general public don't have access to the DB. Only cops can do a lookup without a warrant. Why would they restrict that info?
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#8  Postby NineBerry » Jul 13, 2017 6:35 pm

Cops are just as much bastards as everyone else. I have family who are friends with police officers and have them check license plates out of interest.

Cops can also be bought. How much would organized crime be willing to pay to a police officer to get the license plate number of a state attorney.
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#9  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 13, 2017 6:54 pm

NineBerry's point sounds plausible.

The police department and state judiciary are not always politically aligned and there is certainly a significant potential for harassment.
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#10  Postby laklak » Jul 13, 2017 8:50 pm

Yeah, hadn't thought about it in that way.
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#11  Postby Weaver » Jul 13, 2017 9:11 pm

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Warren Dew wrote:How can the traffic stop be "lawful" if she "violated no laws"? Or is she just saying speeding laws or whatever don't apply to state officials the way they do to ordinary people?

As the second post tangentially shows, it's because, like many officials, the licence plate registration information for the State Attorney likely isn't searchable by most cops - it's confidential information. Thus, when they routinely ran the tag, it came back "not on file".

Dumb way to protest sensitive information, and puts the "protected" at greater risk - but what else can you do when you know damn well that there are people who will improperly access that information for nefarious purposes?

I did mention this ...
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#12  Postby Oldskeptic » Jul 13, 2017 11:04 pm

I'm curious how it was racial profiling if the cop was behind her and all her windows are tinted that dark.
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#13  Postby proudfootz » Jul 13, 2017 11:21 pm

If there are two apparent potential red flags (window tint, response on tags) it could easily be an honest mistake.
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#14  Postby Weaver » Jul 14, 2017 2:28 am

Oldskeptic wrote:I'm curious how it was racial profiling if the cop was behind her and all her windows are tinted that dark.

I didn't say it was profiling - only that minorities without tint risk being pulled over without real cause due to profiling, and that protection from that in the form of even legal levels of tint is used to "justify" pulling them over anyways.
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#15  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jul 14, 2017 2:35 am

Guy sounds like he went backwards through puberty when he found out who she was.
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#16  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 14, 2017 5:15 am

Oldskeptic wrote:I'm curious how it was racial profiling if the cop was behind her and all her windows are tinted that dark.


Not saying this is the circumstance, but they could very well profile if their first contact was cross traffic. The front window isn't tinted.
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#17  Postby Animavore » Jul 14, 2017 5:18 am

Heh. White folk don't even realise they're doing it. Straight to the cop's defence.
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#18  Postby NamelessFaceless » Jul 14, 2017 1:55 pm

Spinozasgalt wrote:Guy sounds like he went backwards through puberty when he found out who she was.


:lol:

I know, right?

"Um . . . tag? . . . Um . . . yeah . . . that's something we do . . . all the time . . . um . . . have a good day!"

He couldn't get away from there fast enough.

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#19  Postby Teague » Jul 14, 2017 3:33 pm

I like the smirk when he says about the windows, her face is like, "what fucking BS ok dudes, give me your names" LMAO
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#20  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jul 14, 2017 4:35 pm

"also the windows were really dark", that smile she gave after made me think she was thinking "I bet it had to do with something else that was dark".
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