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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#41  Postby Hermit » Mar 13, 2019 3:55 am

Cardinal George Pell has been sentenced to six years' jail today, with a non-parole period of three years and eight months. Though not sufficiently severe to seriously discourage potential sexual predators from zeroing on minors, it is better than the symbolic slap on the wrist I anticipated. I am glad that the sentencing session was broadcast live on radio, television and the internet. It stands in stark contrast to the suppression order the guilty verdict handed down last December was subject to. The more publicity for punishments of crimes of that sort, the better.

Pell has never admitted guilt. An appeal has been lodged. It will be heard in June and is expected to take two days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-13/cardinal-george-pell-sentenced-for-sexually-abusing-choirboys/10876012
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#42  Postby Nicko » Mar 13, 2019 7:18 am

The Serpent wrote:Pell won't be excommunicated, nothing he's done or said to have done is punishable by excommunication under canon law.


I dunno about that. In the sentencing, the judge mentioned - speaking to the authority Pell wielded over his victims - that Pell's role in Mass was apparently not considered over until he had divested.

Given that he face-fucked a couple of - fully vested - alter boys while still in his vestments, I think the Church could easily make the argument that he'd committed "Desecration of Holy Species". If they wanted.

At any rate, this disgusting piece of garbage has finally been exposed for what he is. If the RCC wants to hang on to him, it's just another piece of evidence of what they're really like.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#43  Postby Matt_B » Mar 13, 2019 10:00 am

For what its worth, the verdict was only suppressed because a second trial was pending at the time, and it would have been extremely difficult to guarantee the fairness of that trial had the news been released. When the second trial was canned, the restrictions were lifted.

It's not like it was that hard to find out what had happened in any case.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#44  Postby Calilasseia » Mar 14, 2019 7:43 pm

So he's looking at being 80 or 81 before he becomes eligible for his first parole hearing, and if he serves the full 6 years, he'll be 83 if he lives long enough to leave prison. During those first 3 years and 8 months, he'll have to spend his time segregated for his own protection, as there will almost certainly be inmates of whichever prison he's sent to looking for a high profile scalp to bolster their reputations with. He'll be an irresistible target for the more vicious and violent inmates, some of whom may be serving longer sentences than he is, and who will consider extension of their sentences a price worth paying for being able to say "I snuffed out a high profile nonce".

Even if he's successfully protected from attempts to murder him by some of the other inmates, old age and disease could very well do the job for them before he serves out the 6 years.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#45  Postby aban57 » Mar 15, 2019 10:31 am

Calilasseia wrote:So he's looking at being 80 or 81 before he becomes eligible for his first parole hearing, and if he serves the full 6 years, he'll be 83 if he lives long enough to leave prison. During those first 3 years and 8 months, he'll have to spend his time segregated for his own protection, as there will almost certainly be inmates of whichever prison he's sent to looking for a high profile scalp to bolster their reputations with. He'll be an irresistible target for the more vicious and violent inmates, some of whom may be serving longer sentences than he is, and who will consider extension of their sentences a price worth paying for being able to say "I snuffed out a high profile nonce".

Even if he's successfully protected from attempts to murder him by some of the other inmates, old age and disease could very well do the job for them before he serves out the 6 years.


Or he could just be sent to some low security white collars summer camp prison. If they exist in Australia.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#46  Postby The Serpent » Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am

And now to deal with the scribblers . . .

Dozens of Australia's leading media editors and journalists, including staff at The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, could face prison for contempt of court over allegations they breached a suppression order in reports published after George Pell's conviction on child sex abuse charges.

Victoria's Director of Public Prosecutions, Kerri Judd, QC, has named 36 organisations and individuals in a motion before the Supreme Court and applied that they be found guilty, convicted and either imprisoned or fined.


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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#47  Postby Hermit » Aug 21, 2019 1:52 am

Contrary to my expectation Cardinal George Pell has lost his appeal at Victoria's Court of Appeal against his conviction of five sex crimes, on of which was sexual penetration of a child. Two of the three judges upheld the conviction. One of the 13 reasons given by his defence team was that the cardinal could not possibly have committed the offences because his clerical robes were too heavy to be moved aside to commit the sexual acts he was convicted of. :roll: Two of the three judges dismissed all 13. The six year jail sentence will remain. Pell might be released earlier than that. Its non-parole component runs out in October 2022.

Waiting now to hear that Pell will take the next step open to him: To lodge an appeal with the High Court in Canberra.

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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#48  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 21, 2019 6:05 am

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Waiting now to hear that Pell will take the next step open to him: To lodge an appeal with the High Court in Canberra.


One question that sprang to mind earlier when I was reading this: will he be remanded throughout? His sentence isn't pending appeal?
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#49  Postby Hermit » Aug 21, 2019 6:21 am

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Waiting now to hear that Pell will take the next step open to him: To lodge an appeal with the High Court in Canberra.

One question that sprang to mind earlier when I was reading this: will he be remanded throughout? His sentence isn't pending appeal?

To date Pell has steadfastly denied guilt. Nevertheless he has been found guilty of five counts of sex crimes and sentenced to do time in jail for them. Until or unless one of his appeals finds him not guilty that's where he spends his time; at least the non-parole part of it.

The expected appeal to the High Court will be his last chance to get out earlier, and that may not happen. The High Court may decline to hear it, or Pell may decide his chance of succeeding is nil and spend his money on jailed altar boys instead.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#50  Postby Hermit » Aug 22, 2019 6:38 am

St Mary's Cathedral in Sydney displays a series of plaques depicting all Archbishops who have officiated in that church.

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When Cardinal Pell was found guilty of child sex crimes earlier this year someone asked if his plaque is going to be removed. A spokesperson for the Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney said it will remain while his appeal process is completed. Pell lost his first appeal, but there is a possibility of one other, so the process is not complete.

Personally, I prefer that Pell's plaque remains, but something be added to it, and today a memer of The Chasers team did exactly that.

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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#51  Postby The Serpent » Nov 12, 2019 11:34 pm

The Highs have granted ++Pell special leave to appeal.

George Pell will get one last bid to overturn his child-sex convictions and restore his reputation after the High Court announced that it would hear his appeal.

Australia’s highest court said on Wednesday it had granted the disgraced Cardinal special leave to appeal his convictions on the five child sex abuse charges he was found guilty of last year.

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At the heart of Pell’s appeal to the High Court is the question of whether the evidence of a complainant in a sexual abuse case, no matter how compelling and believable, can eliminate all reasonable doubt raised by other witnesses.


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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#52  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 13, 2019 1:11 pm

At the heart of Pell’s appeal to the High Court is the question of whether the evidence of a complainant in a sexual abuse case, no matter how compelling and believable, can eliminate all reasonable doubt raised by other witnesses.


Other witnesses being character witnesses...?

Then yes, yes of course the 'evidence' supporting a complainant's case supersedes such irrelevancies.

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#53  Postby Hermit » Apr 07, 2020 1:30 am

He finally got his out-of-jail card.
George Pell: Court quashes cardinal's sexual abuse convictions

A full bench of seven judges ruled unanimously in Cardinal Pell's favour, finding that the jury had not properly considered all the evidence presented at trial.

"The High Court found that the jury, acting rationally on the whole of the evidence, ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant's guilt," said the court in its judgement
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#54  Postby I'm With Stupid » Apr 07, 2020 3:19 am

He's won his appeal.

George Pell: Court quashes cardinal's sexual abuse convictions

Cardinal George Pell has been freed from jail after Australia's highest court overturned his convictions for child sexual abuse.

The ex-Vatican treasurer, 78, was the most senior Catholic figure ever jailed for such crimes.

In 2018, a jury found he abused two boys in Melbourne in the 1990s.

But the High Court of Australia quashed that verdict on Tuesday, bringing an immediate end to Cardinal Pell's six-year jail sentence.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#55  Postby Macdoc » Apr 07, 2020 3:39 am

:nono: lovely fucking message that sends.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#56  Postby rplatell » Apr 07, 2020 3:46 am

Thanks to that fucking criminal organisation "The Catholic Church" and their fancy lawyers, another disgusting old pedo is out on the streets again. Not much good news around these days, is there.
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#57  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 07, 2020 8:06 am

Hermit wrote:He finally got his out-of-jail card.


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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#58  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 07, 2020 8:07 am

I'm With Stupid wrote:He's won his appeal.


I am genuinely shocked, this is absurd.
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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#59  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 07, 2020 8:52 am

Spearthrower wrote:
I'm With Stupid wrote:He's won his appeal.


I am genuinely shocked, this is absurd.

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Re: George, Cardinal Pell Charged

#60  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 07, 2020 9:01 am

As I often hear said about the USA, you get the government you deserve.

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