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Re: Grim forecast from U.N. on global climate change

#41  Postby Alan B » Oct 15, 2018 1:16 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:The really sad thing about the second law is that nobody can make a buck by turning waste heat into lego blocks on a global scale.

And that's the main problem. The greedy psychopaths at the top of the money making empires don't give a damn.
Altruism? What's that?
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Re: Grim forecast from U.N. on global climate change

#42  Postby Cito di Pense » Oct 15, 2018 1:17 pm

Alan B wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:The really sad thing about the second law is that nobody can make a buck by turning waste heat into lego blocks on a global scale.

And that's the main problem. The greedy psychopaths at the top of the money making empires don't give a damn.
Altruism? What's that?


From now on, I'll just figure you're being sarcastic. How's that sound? Sarcasm? What's that?
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Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
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#43  Postby Teague » Oct 15, 2018 1:17 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Teague wrote:Build more win farms, solar farms - this isn't a hard thing to do.


And use them for what? All energy consumption that does not store energy somewhere just ends up as heat -- there is no physical law less likely to be overthrown than the second law of thermodynamics. It's a necessity at this point that some energy production be used strictly for carbon sequestration. This is the only means of mitigating greenhouse gas pollution. Since one of the significant contributions to greenhouse gas pollution is the release of methane from arctic permafrost, the processes of GHG pollution are accelerating, and this is something we cannot blame directly on any particular means of energy production. Encouraging an increase in energy demand for the sake of an expanding economy is folly so I hope that is not the spirit of your comment. The really sad thing about the second law is that nobody can make a buck by turning waste heat into lego blocks on a global scale.


I'm saying that we need to replace the fossil fuel with renewable energy. The UK gov't has already said that in the next decade or so (can't remember exactly) that new car production will have to be electric. If we really wanted to, we could move a lot quicker on this
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#44  Postby Cito di Pense » Oct 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Teague wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Teague wrote:Build more win farms, solar farms - this isn't a hard thing to do.


And use them for what? All energy consumption that does not store energy somewhere just ends up as heat -- there is no physical law less likely to be overthrown than the second law of thermodynamics. It's a necessity at this point that some energy production be used strictly for carbon sequestration. This is the only means of mitigating greenhouse gas pollution. Since one of the significant contributions to greenhouse gas pollution is the release of methane from arctic permafrost, the processes of GHG pollution are accelerating, and this is something we cannot blame directly on any particular means of energy production. Encouraging an increase in energy demand for the sake of an expanding economy is folly so I hope that is not the spirit of your comment. The really sad thing about the second law is that nobody can make a buck by turning waste heat into lego blocks on a global scale.


I'm saying that we need to replace the fossil fuel with renewable energy


And I'm saying we need to replace the fossil fuel with a means of turning human babies into gasoline. It's the atheist way.
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